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Old 09-09-2009, 09:33 AM     Post subject: 10NL : Freerolling the villain ? #1 (permalink)  
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Player Stats (VPIP/PFR/3bet)

BTN: 64/0/0 over 15
SB: 28/6/0 over 71

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Fine to open this in the CO ?

Ok so on th flop i make nuts and get a big CR by what is obviously also the nuts. Now my problem here is if i am pretty sure i am at best splitting and at worst freerolling the villain what do i do ?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players

UTG: $8.15
MP: $20.80
Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $7.45
SB: $9.90
BB: $12.85

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A 4 J 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.15) T Q K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.10, BTN calls $1.10, SB raises to $5.50, Hero?
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:23 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Depending on the rest of the table I might move, having a station behind is a pain even if they are terrible.

Open is OK, I would raise here today but I would not have as a beginner. The problem is you'll usually make a 1 way hand or something like a pair + FD which you won't really want to fold but also won't want to stack off with.

Usually in 2 or 3 way pots I don't worry much about being free rolled, but here it's a big concern for a few reasons:

BTN may have a set and also come along, meaning you lose to the spades and board pairs and only get half when you dodge it all. three way the set may even end up with the most equity.

the broadway flop has all the cards people are most likely to be playing.

You're behind if SB has a set & FD. If one has the FD and the other a set, you have about 33% so we'd want to play given the dead money but it isn't a great spot.



vs sane players as played it's a bleh fold. I'm not sure about 10 PLO, I never played the micro stakes.

A better option is usually to check the flop. If a bad card comes you can just get away. The problem with making BW is everyone can see it so you probably won't get much action here except against the hands I mentioned. It's a lot like the nut flush - you'd rather be drawing to BW on the flop than actually hit it. But if you catch a brick turn your check may confuse people, plus all the draws lose a lot of equity. Also if BTN bets and SB folds on the flop you feel much better about how you look vs his range compared to this action.

Wow, I rambled.

cliff notes - check flop unless you know for sure people will stack off light, fold as played.
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:39 PM #3 (permalink)  
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In PLO is this a normal strategy with a strong made hand that is very susceptible to be drawn out on that we play a c/c line and look to push the action on a brick turn where the draws equity is a lot less ?

Really appreciate all the replies drmcboy. Even though i am still pretty confused at the moment.

I am getting a PLO series from Deuces cracked tomorrow. REALLY looking forward to that !
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Old 09-09-2009, 04:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 A lot depends on whether you can improve and what hand you have. If you can get all the money in with top set when it's the nuts that will always be the best play so you don't have to guess. Also the draw will fold on the river when they miss and will usually give up if the board pairs.

The best time to slow down and see the turn is when you have a tight opp who you know would not raise you without a set and you have a big wrap. If the turn doesn't pair you commit, if it does you can get away. Usually the set will still have to call even if you get there on the turn since you might not have it and he can still fill.

Another example would be if you have KQJT on a T96 flop. You're a little ahead of a bare 87 (isn't omaha fun!) so getting in on the flop is fine, but if you wait some good things can happen. You may be able to bluff him out if the board pairs or if say a 7 comes. Also he might have two pair or a set rather than 87 and will fold if he doesn't boat.

Of course, there are negatives - if you misread opp's hand or he has two draws. In this example you would hate to let a hand like QJ86 off cheap, that hand will almost always felt and you're up 2/1. In the wait for the board pair example you would hate to get bluffed out by the same or a worse draw. And if your draw is a combo with a flush draw you may lose you customers when the flush hits. If in doubt with a big combo draw or nut wrap it's better to get it in.

Vids helped me, I never liked MTT vids but the Wazz vids and lefty2506 on CR are really enlightening. Let me know if the DC ones are good, maybe I'll sign up.

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I appreciate the posts! I'm a way better replier than thread starter, this is a good work out for my oma-brain.
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Old 09-22-2009, 09:12 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I appreciate the posts! I'm a way better replier than thread starter, this is a good work out for my oma-brain.
And here I was worried that if I start posting hands every day, it'll become annoying. You can definitely expect to see daily PLO questions from me for the next few weeks/months.
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Old 09-23-2009, 03:01 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 so said griffey, alexos and evilcorn, and they all left me(and spenda)! I think they are all crying over a 10 BI "downswing" which we omaha players call "Thursday".
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