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Old 03-07-2006, 07:16 PM     Post subject: 1/2 6max revisited: I'm getting killed #1 (permalink)  
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After averaging 3BB/100 at PS over 15,000 hands, i moved to partypoker.
First day, down, second day got a nice session and made it back and then some, then 2 sessions in which I was up at least 70$ in each, then dropped to about 10$ profit in one, and in the red in the other. After that, the killing started. In about 1500 hands from yesterday till this evening, i've gone from +23$ to -220$
Here are a few of my statsi realize it's a small sample size, but am i doing anything obviously horribly wrong?)
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Old 03-07-2006, 07:25 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 1) You're playing too much out of your blinds.

2) You're not raising enough preflop

3) You're not going to showdown enough.

4) You're not stealing enough

5 You're not defending your SB enough (and your BB too much)

6) You're running bad, slightly but if you fix the above points you'd be up a bunch more.

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Old 03-07-2006, 07:33 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Jeff, what range do you defend your sb with?
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Old 03-07-2006, 07:38 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 Since his blind structure is 1/2, my defend in the SB is considerably more than if it were 1/3. My SB is between 75-80% FSBTS and my BB is between 60-65 and my attempt to steal is ~35%.


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Old 03-07-2006, 08:25 PM #5 (permalink)  
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As far as 1. goes, I raise anything first in, and my opening standards are roughly:
UTG: AJo+,ATs, 88+,KQs,KQo,KJs,KJo,KTs
MP: ATo+, A9s, 77+, KTs+
CO: see BTN
BTN:The tighter the blinds, the more hands I open

That goes for opening, and raising with limpers is basically the same, but sometimes I'll raise a limper to isolate him with a hand I'd otherwise call.

As far as stealing goes, i try, i see the blinds playing almost any 2, I give up trying.

As for the others, I'll work on them as soon as I get back playing (I think I'll have a day or two off to take the edge off)
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 Your opening standars are fine (but i would get rid of KJo personally UTG myself). Isolation raises then would be more key. Hands like A8 or A7 vs one limper or couple broadway cards are great to isolate with.

If your blinds are calling with any two, then your steals become more value raises than anything.


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like others mentioned, steal more, defend less.
 
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Old 03-07-2006, 11:12 PM #8 (permalink)  
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Your opening standars are fine (but i would get rid of KJo personally UTG myself). Isolation raises then would be more key. Hands like A8 or A7 vs one limper or couple broadway cards are great to isolate with.

If your blinds are calling with any two, then your steals become more value raises than anything.
This last sentence has been my problem as well adjusting to 6 max. In a full ring, isolation plays are easier because the blinds will fold more regularly. In 6 max, the blinds are regularly staying in until the turn, in most cases with almost any two cards (i,e one broadway card or any suited). Wouldn't this realty dictate stealing less, but play postflop with the idea of going to showdown more often?
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Old 03-08-2006, 03:29 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Even with (especially with) both blinds almost always calling against a blind steal, you should be open raising at least 30% from the button. 30% gives you a 50% chance of the best hand preflop and you will have position. As Jeff said, this becomes a value bet situation, and you can value bet a lot of hands when opening on the button.

One thing I noticed from your stats is you are running very bad with AA. If your AA bb/hand was normal, you would be up about 40bb more.
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Old 03-10-2006, 07:12 PM #10 (permalink)  
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God! Jesus Christ, I can't believe it.
I get KK x 2, both times I get the blind. I raise to isolate, I get called. My Axs TP + flush draw on flop gets beaten by T7 who rivers trips.
My AcAh gets an all spade flush and a spade turn + a big 4straight on the board to get me to fold, while my medium pair vs an openlimper doesn't hold because of all the hands he could open limp, he openlimped J8 on a JJx flop and slowplayed to the river.
Oh, and of course, I raise TT preflop from BB, get 2 callers, bet the flop, check-raise the turn vs the idiot who couldn't wait to bet his 2 overs on the raggy board, he calls and of course rivers his Q.
That and almost NEVER getting a draw in, and when I do hardly getting it payed off has eaten a hole in my BR and a bigger one in my confidence and my enthusiasm to play the game (
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God! Jesus Christ, I can't believe it.
I get KK x 2, both times I get the blind. I raise to isolate, I get called. My Axs TP + flush draw on flop gets beaten by T7 who rivers trips.
My AcAh gets an all spade flush and a spade turn + a big 4straight on the board to get me to fold, while my medium pair vs an openlimper doesn't hold because of all the hands he could open limp, he openlimped J8 on a JJx flop and slowplayed to the river.
Oh, and of course, I raise TT preflop from BB, get 2 callers, bet the flop, check-raise the turn vs the idiot who couldn't wait to bet his 2 overs on the raggy board, he calls and of course rivers his Q.
That and almost NEVER getting a draw in, and when I do hardly getting it payed off has eaten a hole in my BR and a bigger one in my confidence and my enthusiasm to play the game (
All I can say is what my very wise hockey coach used to tell us.
Shut the fuck up and get your head back in the game.

Come on man, you're better than this groveling. Everyone swings. In six max, everyone swings HARD. Math doesn't lie though, you'll get it back. It just takes time. Keeping your head on straight is the foremost problem.

Cut down the number of tables youre playing. Drop to one tabling if you must. Ive done it plenty of times. Really concentrate on the game. Know everyone at your table better than they know themselves.
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Old 03-11-2006, 06:20 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Hmm, never thought of that. I'll give it a go.
I KNOW i'll make it back. Good thing party has these reloads. I just MIGHT turn a profit if i get them
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Hate, I've played with you and watched you on occasion, and I know you're a quality player. Chin up, you're on the wrong side of



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Hmm, never thought of that. I'll give it a go.
I KNOW i'll make it back. Good thing party has these reloads. I just MIGHT turn a profit if i get them
I find that I often make more on a per-session-basis by one tabling than quad tabling. 6max isn't about perfect play, its about exploitation. Its tough to do 1000 hands a day one table at a time, though.
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