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Old 10-04-2005, 12:44 AM     Post subject: |-| @ /\/ D 5 #1 (permalink)  
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hands were regularly folded to the blinds. no one ever got outta hand, and anyone who raises got tons of respect. so...no read, except more tight passive than usual.

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HAND 1:

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A, A.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (9 SB) 6, 3, 2 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, Hero caps, MP3 calls, SB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, SB calls.

River: (14.50 BB) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Final Pot: 16.50 BB

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HAND 2:

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Preflop: Hero is Button with K, A.
2 folds, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9, 8, 4 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB
 
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Old 10-04-2005, 12:50 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: As a rule, most AA hand posts suck. I fail to see how is an exception.
Hand 2: What would possess you to bet that turn against over-aggro paranoid (default 5 max read) opponents?
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Old 10-04-2005, 01:04 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: As a rule, most AA hand posts suck. I fail to see how is an exception.
Hand 2: What would possess you to bet that turn against over-aggro paranoid (default 5 max read) opponents?
so you don't think i was over agressive with AA?

hand 2...on average, UB players are less crazy aggressive compared with other sites. on average, the turn followup will take more pots compared with other sites.

and against another TAG, it doesn't matter what cards you have. this guy has been restealing a lot and doing many bet/fold lines...here's a hand i played back (i decided to run this line regardless of what i held as long as it had any potential):

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T, 8.
3 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9, K, 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB
 
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Old 10-04-2005, 01:12 AM #4 (permalink)  
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so you don't think i was over agressive with AA?
I would play it the same way at a full table. I certainly would play it that way against opponents who will tend to put in more bets with a pair. Cap the flop because you probably have the best hand on that flop. Turn raise is a pure pot-size protection play. River is a value bet.

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hand 2...on average, UB players are less crazy aggressive compared with other sites. on average, the turn followup will take more pots compared with other sites.
Good bet then, I guess. I like to take free cards sometimes to punish my opponents when they inevitably try to get tricky against the big bad Fnord. Particularly the tightish ones. I also like showing down a lot in 6 max games because it's a reasonable way to deal with over-aggro paranoid opponents.

Hand 3: Well played.
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Old 10-04-2005, 01:33 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Good bet then, I guess. I like to take free cards sometimes to punish my opponents when they inevitably try to get tricky against the big bad Fnord. Particularly the tightish ones. I also like showing down a lot in 6 max games because it's a reasonable way to deal with over-aggro paranoid opponents.
well the only reason why i even posted the AA hand was because i lost, yet it looked standard when i reviewed it, and just wanted to make sure.

hand 2, it'd be interesting to compare the expected value between:
1) bet/folding the turn
2) check, fold the river UI
3) check, bet
4) check, raise

1a) -1BB (they raise)
1b) +5BB (they fold)
2) -5BB (fold UI)
3a) +1BB + 5BB = +6BB (call the river value bet)
3b) -2BB - 5BB = -7BB (raise our value bet)
4a) +2BB + 5BB = +7BB (call our raise)
4b) -3BB - 5BB = -8BB (3bet our raise)

bah my head is dizzy! i don't even know where to start with estimating the % they have us beat and will do each action.
 
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In a 5 max environment where we're going to sparring a lot, I'm more concerned about being a predicatble check/raise bitch on the turn. Hence, I'm checking behind some hands like that.

BTW, checking behind and folding the river UI at worst has an EV of ~0.
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What did SB have? A five? Club draw? What did he pick up to call with on end?

EDIT: OMG you lost? Did he have like a set or something? I don't see how he can just CALL with a straight.
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BTW, checking behind and folding the river UI at worst has an EV of ~0.
LOL...i think i just confused myself...cuz 1 was just losing this one bet...but then if they fold i make 5BB, and then i got confused and the rest is down hill. :'(

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EDIT: OMG you lost? Did he have like a set or something? I don't see how he can just CALL with a straight.
a scared shitless set of 2s would.
 
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LOL...i think i just confused myself...cuz 1 was just losing this one bet...but then if they fold i make 5BB, and then i got confused and the rest is down hill. :'(
If you think he check/raises a pair, folding costs you more than 1BB because you cost yourself the chance to suck-out on the river.
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he check/3-bet :O

Since my opponents are so passive I'd probably go into a more of a call-down mood.

At the river I wouldn't bet because a better hand (two pair or set or straight) don't fold and a straight raises me and a pair of kings is the ONLY thing that pays me off here. Given the flop action it's not likely. A pair of sixes is not likely unless poker tracker has the fish icon on the villain:D
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At the river I wouldn't bet because a better hand (two pair or set or straight) don't fold and a straight raises me and a pair of kings is the ONLY thing that pays me off here. Given the flop action it's not likely. A pair of sixes is not likely unless poker tracker has the fish icon on the villain
with the pot so big by the end, many people won't fold for 1 bet only just to see that i did, in fact, have aces.
 
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At the river I wouldn't bet because a better hand (two pair or set or straight) don't fold and a straight raises me and a pair of kings is the ONLY thing that pays me off here. Given the flop action it's not likely. A pair of sixes is not likely unless poker tracker has the fish icon on the villain
I would expect to see a hand like 77 here a lot or even A Q
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At the river I wouldn't bet because a better hand (two pair or set or straight) don't fold and a straight raises me and a pair of kings is the ONLY thing that pays me off here. Given the flop action it's not likely. A pair of sixes is not likely unless poker tracker has the fish icon on the villain:D
I would expect to see a hand like 77 here a lot or even A:club: Q:club:
no, at my stakes I know EXACTLY who can show 77 here and who can't.
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