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Old 03-25-2008, 03:09 AM     Post subject: $25 PLO hand... I know he has AAxx #1 (permalink)  
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Villian is 60/8 over about 40 hands, i'm about 90% sure he's on an AAxx hand.
Yes I know I should have folded preflop

So with a max possible 13 outs I'm calling ? It just seems so counterproductive...
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:28 AM #2 (permalink)  
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50/50 if he has AAxx, so you have to call getting 2:1
15/85 if he as NFD
85/15 is he has QQ

I think you have to call now that you're here. Hope he doesn't flip AsxsAx
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Old 03-25-2008, 03:40 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I think I'd rather push the flop rather than c/c. The pot is already big and at least you have some FE, plus you're rarely in bad shape if called (AAxx with spades obv is horrible for you).

Also, isn't pf standard with the cold-caller? I could see folding if it was just hu, but with the extra guy in the middle I'm calling pre all day. Is this wrong?
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I think I'd rather push the flop rather than c/c. The pot is already big and at least you have some FE, plus you're rarely in bad shape if called (AAxx with spades obv is horrible for you).

Also, isn't pf standard with the cold-caller? I could see folding if it was just hu, but with the extra guy in the middle I'm calling pre all day. Is this wrong?
I don't have FE against this player, He's doesn't know how to fold AA post flop.

I was worried about the cold caller check/bombing the flop against this player. I didn't want to get stuck pot/calling on this flop 3 way with a 2nd nut flush draw. I had pot / folding too.

The caller was a 27/10 after 160 hand and putting this guy on AA was easy. His calling range pre easily included mid wrap cards.

As for calling pre, i think your right.. the cold caller is probably the reason I called too... HU I would have mucked it against his stack size.
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pot odds yo
I kinda thought the same thing too, its just so easy to say pot odds call in PLO and get carried away with it.
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preflop, call.

on the flop, I just can't fold now. even if I check , PFR pots, and yobresal bombs, I would call. Could conceivably be an AA and a straight draw so you're the favorite! That pot is just too big to fold now. So with that in mind, just stick it in yourself. I don't think you have fold equity, but you don't want to give a free card if the PFR decides to not bet for some reason. I am not putting villain 100% on AAxx here.

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preflop, call.

on the flop, I just can't fold now. even if I check , PFR pots, and yobresal bombs, I would call. Could conceivably be an AA and a straight draw so you're the favorite! That pot is just too big to fold now. So with that in mind, just stick it in yourself. I don't think you have fold equity, but you don't want to give a free card if the PFR decides to not bet for some reason. I am not putting villain 100% on AAxx here.

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Why wouldn't I give a freecard?

If UTG is on set or 8765 type wrap hand, or a Set he's likely going to check bomb the flop. If the preflop raiser checks it through he msises his CR and I get the free card.
Lets say it checks through and the turn is a harmless Q or J
Now UTG only has 1 card left to make his straight, he's more likely to muck to a potsized bet...

But I still have no folding equity and on the turn don't have odds to call a psb.... I don't know where I'm going wiht this.......................
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