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09-02-2008, 09:50 AM Post subject: $0.5/$1 heads-up

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heads-up against a TAG, probably shouldn't have kept playing vs. him since I don't have an edge, but I am interested in how I played

Hand 1:

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
2 players
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Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is BB with 8

SB raises, Hero 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: K

(4SB, 2 players)
Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: 6

(3BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets, Hero calls.

River: T

(5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 7BB
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Hand 2:

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
2 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with 5

Hero calls, BB raises, Hero calls.

Flop: 5

(2SB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: K

(2BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: Q

(4BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 6BB
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Hand 3: I've been playing more passively lately against aggressive players
Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.50/$1
2 players
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Pre-flop: (2 players) Hero is SB with J

Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop: K

(4SB, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: J

(2BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: 9

(4BB, 2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 6BB

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asdpikas

09-02-2008, 03:04 PM

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Hand 1.
Def bet the turn!
its an undercard to your pair, you cant give him credit for a K yet.
Hand 2.
raise PF! HU limping is soooo weak. raise and lead flop.
as played i'd fold the river, not much you can beat, he'd c/call a-high and you only have bottom pair w no kicker
Hand 3.
read dependent wether to call down against very aggro players or fold turn against more straightforward players.
i tend to fold since pot is so small

Col Shuffles

09-02-2008, 06:02 PM

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I think open-completing in hand 2 can be alright if you toss in the occasional strong hand to balance your range. However, most players almost never complete good hands HU leaving themselves with an unbalanced completing range of semi-junk hands like the one you're holding.

Personally I would fold to deny BB the luxury of raising a wide range and capturing the initiative which I think is particular valuable HU. I'd probably play the rest of the hand the same though, hoping to catch BB with a stray Ace.

Hand 3 depends on how your opponent plays but I doubt he's checking the flop with any hand that missed. To me it just looks like he's getting fancy with something that connected. I'd fold the turn.

09-02-2008, 11:37 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Col Shuffles

I've been folding 82o and the like, but 54o is a better implied odds hand

asdpikas

09-03-2008, 12:38 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

]I've been folding 82o and the like, but 54o is a better implied odds hand

Folding like the worst 10% hands is fine when on button (sb). As you say, 54o is better than that. Still, you have to raise, imo, cause you cant let him see a free flop with something like 82o and get an 8 to beat you. Also, having the initiative in position is just amazingly important HU.
Winning UI pots is very important and you can only do that being the aggressor. Playing fit or fold wont cut it.
On that hand, if you had raised, all your decisions would've been much easier...
You can easily let go if you whiff (having 5hi), continue with better odds if you hit a pair or reasonable draw, or bloat the pot a max if you do hit big. You can take free cards and make plays having initiative, which will be very tough without it if villain shows interest in the hand.
Also, u want to have a big pot with your implied odds hands, or u wont have implied odds, as villain may fold almost any whiffed flop, not getting good odds to peel, but he may stick around on a bigger pot and pay off your str8.
Besides, if you dont raise, and hit an OESD, your odds have gone down if he bets (3-1) whereas u'd get 5-1 on a raised pot. In the unraised pot, u'd have to either fold or raise (risking a 3bet in a small pot, quite a disaster) whereas all your options are open on the raised pot.
Your folding equity also goes up when u have raised PF, in case u decide to raise flop or turn as a semibluff.
Having position and initiative will help you determine how many bets go in, thus controlling pot-size. Postflop, you want to manipulate pot size, a smaller pot if you just hit a pair (like your hand) and a bigger pot if you have a good draw or a big hand.

Col Shuffles

09-03-2008, 01:05 AM

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Sure 82o is a clear fold but players tend to open-complete with hands that are worth a call getting 3-1 but don't look good enough for a raise. This hand is a good example of this range. It tends to be unsuited connectors, low suited one/two-gappers and similar speculative hands that will probably show a profit at 3-1 in position.

However, you'll be easily read if these are the only hands that you're completing with and you're not slipping in the occasional solid hand for balance. TAGs tend to only complete with speculative hands and if your oppenent is good you can expect him to raise a wide range. If BB raises your implied odds are in ruins and you'll see a flop that has you folding nearly every time.

But like I said I think the play is ok, but if you're going to make it against a thinking player you should have a balanced range.

socal1111

09-08-2008, 04:04 AM

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#1. Bet turn every time. Check river to induce.

#2. Raise sb EVERY SINGLE TIME you've decided to play... and you should be playing 90%. Completing HU is incredibly weak. NEVER DO IT!

"We don't stop playing because we get old. We get old because we stop playing!" -Doyle

Chopper

09-08-2008, 01:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iopq

I've been folding 82o and the like, but 54o is a better implied odds hand

how do you expect to get paid with "implied odds" hands in a HU limit game? never limp HU until you are using higher level thinking on an opponent you have a history with.

you want an edge on a microTAG in a HU game? read/re-read HEFAP's short-handed section on how often villain needs to fold for you to fire relentlessly with almost ATC.

LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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