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Old 07-26-2008, 05:22 AM     Post subject: $0.25/$0.50 decision time #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is 17/3/2.2 over 107 hands
So I thought I was most likely beat on the turn but I peeled one off anyway

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J.
5 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 6, T, J (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
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Old 07-26-2008, 07:52 AM     Post subject: Re: $0.25/$0.50 decision time #2 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by iopq
Villain is 17/3/2.2 over 107 hands
So I thought I was most likely beat on the turn but I peeled one off anyway

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J.
5 folds, CO calls, Hero raises, SB calls, 1 fold, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 6, T, J (3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, SB calls, CO folds.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB
I'm guessing that hero isn't capable of semi-bluffing the turn?? That turn card creates a very draw heavy board, which would be perfect to put you to the test.

What are YOUR numbers? Does he know those numbers?

As played, river = easy fold. W/out that sick river, you may need to call down. 17/3 is silly, though.
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Old 07-26-2008, 10:56 AM #3 (permalink)  
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I'm running at 16.1/7.9/3.6
I doubt nits have poker tracker, they won't even raise 25 cents, much less spend money on something else poker related

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I'm guessing that hero isn't capable of semi-bluffing the turn?? That turn card creates a very draw heavy board, which would be perfect to put you to the test.
Semi-bluff 3bet? For that to be successful, what the hell could he be holding? He's not going to fold a draw for one more bet and on this board everyone and their grandma has a draw.
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Old 07-26-2008, 05:06 PM #4 (permalink)  
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getting 7.5-1 to call the raise, you have to peel. Easy fold on river.
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Old 07-26-2008, 06:12 PM #5 (permalink)  
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here's my thing.

1) the turn raise is usually a clear sign TP isnt good, much less 2nd pair.

2) i dont think you give enough credit to players having PT. all over the place i hear people say, "players dont have it a microstakes...players dont pay attention at lower stakes." i would watch who these remarks come from players that havent been down here since pre-Frist.

the games HAVE changed. players are a little better. (i didnt say great), but a lot of us are not giving enough credit, imo.

i have run "experiments" regarding who uses PT. at a 2NL table, i saw 60% using it. and, i see a lot of it at LHE, too. you go to 25NL and its almost everyone.

if they have it, they see your generic stats. and play you accordingly...sort of. i would say to assume they have it. and, start looking at your session numbers for that table and start thinking of how they might perceive you...even down here.

that wont be popular, but it's what i've found.
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Old 07-26-2008, 08:23 PM #6 (permalink)  
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I realize that people do have PT, but making a joke about nits > making a boring observation about people having PT
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Old 07-27-2008, 06:19 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Originally Posted by iopq
I'm running at 16.1/7.9/3.6
I doubt nits have poker tracker, they won't even raise 25 cents, much less spend money on something else poker related

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I'm guessing that hero isn't capable of semi-bluffing the turn?? That turn card creates a very draw heavy board, which would be perfect to put you to the test.
Semi-bluff 3bet? For that to be successful, what the hell could he be holding? He's not going to fold a draw for one more bet and on this board everyone and their grandma has a draw.
They DEFINITELY have PT!

I wasn't advocating you 3bet semi-bluff... I was asking if he's capable of C/R turn as semi-b.
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Old 07-27-2008, 11:50 PM #8 (permalink)  
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I like it up until the river, but I Think Bet/Fold is a better line.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:07 AM #9 (permalink)  
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I like it up until the river, but I Think Bet/Fold is a better line.
I'm not even sure this is worth responding to, as IT'S THE MOST RIDICULOUS THING I'VE EVER READ!!!!

Let me get this right:
Bet flop
Get C/Rd on turn
Bet/fold river
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:15 AM #10 (permalink)  
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Shit, I thought Hero was OOP.

I can't read today.

I still think play up till river is fine. Is the Villain capable of a semi-bluff on the turn? Because Check/Raise is a great line on the turn with a flush draw, because you'll just check/fold if you miss, but you can get one more bet out of your opponent if you hit.
The older I get, the more I start wondering; Just what in the hell is going on here?
 
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:23 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Shit, I thought Hero was OOP.

I can't read today.

I still think play up till river is fine. Is the Villain capable of a semi-bluff on the turn? Because Check/Raise is a great line on the turn with a flush draw, because you'll just check/fold if you miss, but you can get one more bet out of your opponent if you hit.
Now THAT I totally agree with... but I believe OP didn't think villain was capable of this C/R.

Don't you just love that turn play, though?
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Old 07-28-2008, 12:43 AM #12 (permalink)  
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Check/Raise is a great line on the turn with a flush draw, because you'll just check/fold if you miss, but you can get one more bet out of your opponent if you hit.
How does that make it a great line? It only has value if your opponent will fold the turn a decent portion of the time and/or fold the river sometimes if you miss and bet again. On this turn he is 3betting more hands than he's folding - and he's not folding many. Lots of hands he'll call down with on the river too.

If c/f the river if you miss is your strategy you're better off just calling the turn and trying to c/r the river if you hit. At least that way you are not putting in more bets when you're behind.
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Old 07-28-2008, 01:05 AM #13 (permalink)  
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what was your plan for a brick river?

I think you played this hand very well.
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