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DoanDiggy
Old 11-07-2009, 03:44 PM #2 (permalink)  
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DoanDiggy
Will Villain call from the SB with T9s, QTs, KTo? Considering that the river is a 3 ( results FTW), we are losing to all of these along with AT, 99, and 44. I would put his value/play-back-at-you-semi-bluff range at (a few combos of AA to account for some overpairs that played the hand weirdly):

Code:
Board: Th Td 4c 9s
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	35.178%  	30.24% 	04.94% 	           306 	       50.00   { JdTs }
Hand 1: 	64.822%  	59.88% 	04.94% 	           606 	       50.00   { AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, 99, 44, ATs, KTs, QTs+, JTs, T9s, ATo, KTo }
If he's not calling from the SB with T9s or KTo, things get a little better, but not much:

Code:
Board: Th Td 4c 9s
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	39.952%  	35.17% 	04.78% 	           294 	       40.00   { JdTs }
Hand 1: 	60.048%  	55.26% 	04.78% 	           462 	       40.00   { AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, 99, 44, ATs, KTs, QTs+, JTs, ATo }
The question is how often he is all-out bluffing, or deciding to just go with any pocket pair. Let's assume the latter:

Code:
Board: Th Td 4c 9s
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	77.390%  	75.82% 	01.57% 	          1935 	       40.00   { JdTs }
Hand 1: 	22.610%  	21.04% 	01.57% 	           537 	       40.00   { AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, JJ-22, ATs, KTs, QTs+, JTs, ATo }
Now we have him crushed. So this hand really comes down to a read on how often he can make this play with a suboptimal hand.

My argument after the flop action would be to definitely check back this turn. That gives us an easy call or value bet on the river, and in spots like this, easy is good . It gives him a chance to bluff the river with whatever he bluffed the flop with, and if he checks your bet is clearly for value. If he check/raises the river, I'm paying him off because if he is good enough to go for 3 check/raises with a hand that beats ours then gg him. Also, our hand is underrepped -- it looks like we could be going for thin value with JJ+ and might have to fold to the raise.

Of course, this changes entirely when we have AT on the turn, when we're doing well against an only-value range:

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Board: Th Td 4c 9s
Dead:  

	equity 	win 	tie 	      pots won 	pots tied	
Hand 0: 	54.237%  	43.05% 	11.19% 	          1951 	      507.00   { ATo }
Hand 1: 	45.763%  	34.58% 	11.19% 	          1567 	      507.00   { AcAh, AcAs, AdAs, 99, 44, ATs, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, ATo, KTo }
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