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littleogre
Old 11-03-2009, 10:38 AM #25 (permalink)  

Join Date: Oct 2004
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littleogre has a little shameless behaviour in the past
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Originally Posted by Belt
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Originally Posted by littleogre
Please remove 66/tt/22 from his range. Honestly i think your range is off because few 2nl players are gonna play a flopped set that way. I think we can also remove a set of queens. Very few people set hunt with QS.

We are coming to different conclusions because you are including hands in his range that frankly i am not including
OK. Lets form another range then. Since you are the one who is playing against this particular villain, we have to form a range on your reads. But still, I insist that this is a contradiction to your OP where you said the guy is an unknown.

Busted FDs (I made a mistake in my previous post counting these since J9dd and 97dd are str8s now...)
Busted FDs (19 combos)

Pairs
Qxdd one pair hands (7 combos)

2 Pairs (Lets not include the ones he may have before the turn)
QT(9), Q8(9), Q2dd(1), T8(9), 86s(3) (31 combos)

Sets
only 88 as you said (3 combos)

Str8s
J9 (16 combos)
97 (12 combos)

There are 88 combos total... 19/88 = ~21.6 < 35 and this is the tightest range that i can come up with. You still need to drop 34 hands from his made hands for this call to be break even. In other words if you exclude all 2prs and sets from his range (34 combos) this call is still -EV (after rake)...

Actually you don't need to count anything while you play. This situation is soooooo obvious.
I'm not playing against his range i'm playing against the average 2nl range and betting pattern. Until they show otherwise i just assume unknowns are typical 2nl players.