4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Confusing people with my liberal biblicisms
Posts: 1,625
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the simplest response is that you need to find better reasons for making donk bets. the fact that villain might have T9s and might suck out on us isn't really justification enough.
i think your long post is a big step for a poker player; that is you're starting to see why being OOP (esp. without the initiative) sincerely sucks ass. the more passive villain is, the less trouble we're going to get into, but against players that bet with any sort of balanced ranges, it's tough for us to play ideal poker.
sooo all that being said, i think that renton's ABCD theorem can help you thinking through donk bets here. on a board like we have in hand 4, we don't need to worry about giving villain a free card. anyway, i'd consider this in our B range.
usually our B range is mainly hands that have SD value that we'd like to see a cheap showdown with, but that changes when we're OOP without the initiative. we have to open our B range up really wide because villain is going to be with such a wide range that it's profitable to c/c with like split pair+ against a lot of opponents, and our betting for value range is thin because we're going to fold out a lot of hands that woulda bet if we'd just checked. our C range, blah blah blah it doesn't matter because we have a good hand and this isn't a C range hand ever, regardless of the scenario.
i'm not really an ABCD expert but i think this might give you an idea
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