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herschelw
07-10-2008, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by
KoRnholio
The problem with limp-calling is that the opponent is going to shove most flops. If we whiff we get put in a bad spot because he could be bluffing with the best hand, but there's no way for him to fold it now.
What's so bad about him shoving most flop?
2/3rds of the time we dont pair and likely have to fold and lose a total of 6 BB's. 1/3rd of the time we call and make 9BB's. Looks like a net gain to me.
Additionally I disagree that he shoves most flops. He obv shoves some flops but if the flop comes low many times he doesnt and we steal the pot. Also we could flop a strong draw with overs and be in pretty decent shape to call an allin. Not a bad spot for what would essentially amount to a race anyway.
I suppose all I am saying is we should consider it. Obv if we do limp here at times we must also limp AA, KK here at times to so that we are not predicatable. I also think you underestimate the number of times people are freaked out by the limp and play you passively. We certainly have to assign a +EV value to the number of times you are easily able to limp then take the blinds on the flop and also the portion of the time where you arent raised and you outflop someone and can get it in ahead(obv that can to some degree be offset by the portion of the time you get outflop and catch a piece. But versus hands that check frm the blinds you outflop more than you are outflopped).
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