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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
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Originally Posted by spoonitnow
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Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms
all I can say is if you have been playing poker for more than a year, how's your BR management treated you so far? Where are you now?
Spoon? When did you start back to poker again? Where are you now? What has been your BR discipline?
That's my point!
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Okay for me personally, I started on a $200 loan at 10nl early last May, and in January I made $12k grinding only full ring. Post-25nl I played on at least 35 buy-ins, and 50 for 200nl. That's not really the point.
An advantage of a deeper BR management that's often overlooked is that the play at different levels is a bit different, so when you move up/down a lot then you have to make more adjustments, which I believe can cause you play with a lower EV.
In all seriousness though, if you're a hobbyist player than 20 buy-ins is probably fine as long as you move up/down when necessary. |
But it was my point. Almost anyone who practices a much higher bankroll requirement has moved farther and faster than the players that practice a much tighter or smaller requirement (me included). This is why I have now changed my BR requirements completely and will never again attempt to move up on a 20 buy in roll. Spending your time watching the cashier or your PT stats to see if you should move down, instead of just playing "your game" for a couple sessions, is counterproductive. Also, I think this may be a cause of why so many of us run better at the middle or end of a stake, before moving up, and run worse when first moving up. Having less "money" and spending more to play, bet, call and fold is just so much harder to think about, and steals focus. The differences between $10NL and $50NL is negligible compared to our thoughts while playing at different points in our BR. Too many of us focus on the wrong things, and when we focus on the money and not the play, we play worse. Losing buy ins and not why we lose becomes a priority. |
Hehe, trust me, I know. BankItDrew said similar things about another BR management thread of mine, and if I wasn't too lazy I'd go dig up the quote.
Something else BankItDrew and I both agree on is that by staying at one level longer before moving up you get a lot better, and over time this cultivates really high win-rates. For example, I probably played nearly 300k hands of 100nl, but in the last 75k or so I was beating it for over 4 ptbb/100.
One argument for the 20 buy-in "rule" or whatever is that when you move up quicker your money-making ability increases. That's actually not usually the case post-25nl since you're playing against better opposition each time you move up when you probably haven't had time to improve as a player very much at your original stakes.
In terms of bankroll management, I think that people shouldn't just decide to move up based on how many buy-ins they have, but a combination of that and how hard they're beating their current level. For example, people probably shouldn't move past 25nl unless they're beating it for 5+ ptbb/100, shouldn't move past 50nl unless they're beating it for 4+ ptbb/100, and shouldn't move past 100nl unless they're beating it for 3+ ptbb/100.
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