4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Maine
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Originally Posted by elipsesjeff
Hand 1 is standard.
Hand 2 I'd fold preflop. You know raising flop is bad, but pushing turn and checking behind are both good options, with checking behind my #1 choice.
Hand 3 is pretty spewy. You raise UTG and SB Reraises, this is never a squeeze and I'd just fold preflop.
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I really disagree with a lot of this.
First hand, the general line may be alright, but given stacks, pot size, etc. I do not think this is standard. PF and Flop are good, on the turn we have like $85 left and the pot is 70, I think we should either shove or check behind. Betting such a small amount, leaving us an even smaller amount on the river just doesnt make a ton of sense to me. Basically decided what to do depends a lot on your opponent. If they are aggressive, I probably check behind and if they are passive I probably shove.
Second hand, we are 200BB deep, I dont see anything wrong with calling a 3bet in a blind steal situation with this hand. However, when we call with this hand, I dont think we can play it this way. On the flop you obviously arent folding to the bet, but just call it [wont go into that too much more because you said you understand that]. What sort of hands can we put villain on in this hand? PF there is a wide range and after he cbets that doesnt narrow it _too_ much, but after he calls our raise, there isnt a ton he can have. AA, JJ, and AJ are huge possibilities, but given we hold an A it discounts the AA a lot and also partly the AJ. He could also have something like 33 some percent of the time and maybe sometimes he is calling with like KK. Regardless though, on that turn we are basically just folding the random hands that we are ahead of anyways [like KK]. The only better hand we may fold is AQ, but Im not sure it even makes it that far. I dont think pushing is a good option as ellipses suggests as we have horrible equity against our opponents calling range and since his calling range is such a big part of his entire range, we have horrible fold equity.
Shoving AK is alright if you are going to balance it with like KK and Axs, but I dont know how much that is something you are going to want to do. Given that the SB isnt crazy aggressive and you raised UTG, he wont be doing this too lightly, but it is possible. I dont hate a fold but dont think a call is too horrible. Shoving IMO is probably my least favorite option in this spot and I think the differences between folding and calling are fairly marginal, but folding is probably best without a better read.
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