4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Watching the kids
Posts: 1,603
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Originally Posted by fjuanl
great post saucy...this needs to be stickied immediately. its hard to write down all the thoughts good sng players have, but you did it pretty clearly
one thing though...
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If you are seeing higher than 15% of flops during this mid game period, there is usually one of two explanations. 1. You are being a loose caller, aka HEEHAWW!!! 2. You are raising too frequently and people are starting to call your raises preflop rather than folding to you. Both of these are SnG leaks that will kill your ITM% in the long run.
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i myself play about that number, but its mainly because i suck postflop. i dont think vpip has too much of an effect on the success of a sng player, as long as its in the 10-30% range. some people gain equity by being able to outplay others postflop. although they may risk their chips more often, the first place finishes are going to be much more than 2-3rds because of the chips gained early on. For us nits, we just slip through the bubble as shortstacks and have to gain a lot of ground to get a 1st place finish. i also think its important to play more or less hands based on the table. if i notice i'm surrounded by idiots just on the verge of spewing their chips in someones direction, im gonna try my best to find a hand to play against them |
Excellent point.
The fourth skill I was going to put in was going to be "creativitiy/flexibilitiy" but opted to not because I think that with all three of the other ones it can be implied that you will occassionally need to make room for some out-of-the-box thinking. And I think 15% flops seen is not a bad number, just that if you are consistently significantly above that in mid-game play, you are either a master lagg, or you are losing ROI.
So I think #3 is mostly encompassed by #2, and #2 is mostly encompassed by #1, and creatvitiy/flexibility is mostly encompassed by all of them.
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some people gain equity by being able to outplay others postflop.
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And I think this is absolutely true, but this is getting into "master-lagg" territory which is something beyond the skills I've posted. So just to get that out in the open - the counter strategy to the masses of players out there like me who abide by the "tight early" maxim above is simply to put extreme pressure on these types of players early on, and then use your (hopefully) big stack to play smart #1 strategy and float your way ITM. I'd love it if someone would post a how-to on that one though because I certainly am not qualified.
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