4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: 6max limit tables
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
pokerfanatic wrote:
Hand1: If you raise the turn here I think you HAVE to bet the river...
No. The turn raise/check behind is a staple of limit hold em. If he calls the turn raise, a river bet is often spewing unimproved. Often worse hands will fold, and you are only called when behind. I actually like a call turn, call/bet river here. You are often WA/WB. 3 betting the flop is another good option.
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What do you think IF YOU RAISE means? maybe i should spell it out... I DON'T think it's the correct play, HOWEVER if you TAKE THAT LINE you probably should fallow though it's like going to hit a home run but right as you make contact you don't fallow though the swing and turn it into a bunt...
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
pokerfanatic wrote:
Hand2: I might have 3 bet the turn against some opponents that would make that raise with less then the flush... however no read played fine...
Which opponents are these? approximately everyone at 5/10 6max? When you 3 bet, you define your hand and allow them to get away from a weak hand. When they have a flush, you get capped. It is a win 1(maybe) lose 2(often) situation. A 3 bet is spewing even if your opponent usually doesn't have the flush.
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I would be 3 beating only very poor weak opponents that will CALL DOWN, even when they are 3 bet in this situation, and don't even say that there are no player that wouldn't because that's bull shit, realize I’m not a fucking idiot...
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
pokerfanatic wrote:
Hand4: UTG raise with KJo? Ummm K? Does the result answer why i think this is a bad idea? Your hand sucks with two cold callers and the blind in...
You need to move away from results oriented thinking. KJ is weak, but not weak enough to fold in a shorthanded game. A raise protects your hand and increases your chances of taking down the pot. This hand was well played, but I almost like a donkbet on the turn. MP could have a wide range that you beat like AT, QJ... even something like K9.
Then check/call the river.
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You really need to re-read what I write because you obviously are making a point to try and make me look like an ass or some shit... Let me digest what I wrote, UTG raise with KJo? Ummm K (HELLO SACASIUM WARNING) I’ll start putting SW from here no out... then I think that now that I have that out of the way I think EUPH knows exactly what I meant by look at the results and what's calling you, I talk to him every day, do you?
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
PokerFanatic wrote:
Hand 5: I bet down if he doesn't come over the top I might have the best hand against a 60/4
If he'll bet hands that you beat, you'll get more by check/calling the turn and check-raising the river. Unless he will 3 bet hands that you beat, your goal is to make the most, right? why do we want to try to bet him out of the pot?
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Well I would need to see an AF for that now wouldn't I? If you take the insinuative on the flop and are going to call down anyways why wouldn't you bet down and keep control of the hand, the same result is achieved if he raises and has < 1 AF you can safely fold if he has like a 4AF it might be bettor to take the c/c route... it depends as most things do in poker...
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Originally Posted by Demiparadigm
pokerfanatic wrote:
Hand7: it's questionable to raise out of BB with a KQo however I let it go for sure when I’m the preflop raiser and it gets bet and raised into me, the turn is complete spewage you rep and ace that the guy doesn't understand that play or has you completely drawing dead at this point... K high on the river completes spewing there bro... I fold for two on the flop so that's 1bb, you lost 4 more bb after that so you lost 5bb when you didn't need to IMO...
He's not repping an ace. He has a broadway straight. It is hard to "spew" with the nut straight, even on a paired board.
If you really fold this flop for 1bb getting almost 5 to 1 you have a serious leak.
If you don't call a raise with KQ in the BB you have another serious leak.
Good Luck.
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Ok, sorry I miss read the hand maybe the comment about Khigh would give you a clue... so it was a shitty beat… ohh fucking well…
Are you from 2+2? because a lot of your posts have the tone of a player from over there, I understand your points completely, however if you could tone it down some maybe I wouldn't have to defend everything I say, from what I can tell you play more mathematically, I need reads, just difference in play I think doesn't make me right or wrong, or you right or wrong... Good Luck...
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