Originally Posted by Xanadu

Sorry, DaNuts, but you are wrong. When you play poker, you always have to compare your hand and what your hand will be if you improve to the range of hands your opponent may have. You can never know, when holding for example, QJs with a 4-flush on the flop, that there is a higher flush draw out there against you. It's not a question of counting 9 outs or 0. If you are counting outs to determine if you have the right odds to call, you have to weigh each out by the chance that out will give you the best hand. If your draw is to the nuts, the outs have full value. Any draw that is not to the nuts has a lesser value per out. Since you can't see your opponents' cards, you can't count all or none.