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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 2:58pm Post subject: I like to ship it, ship it!
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Full House

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1149 WPP: 94
Location: KC, MO
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Villain is 19/10 over small sample size ~40 hands. No notes and he's been very quiet. He has not limped yet UTG or MP to my knowledge.
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
Hero (Button) ($155.65)
SB ($155.20)
BB ($100)
UTG ($79.85)
MP ($100)
CO ($100)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Q , Q
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3
Flop: ($9.50) 7 , 4 , 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $8, UTG calls $8
Turn: ($25.50) 3 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $16, UTG raises $39, Hero calls $23
River: ($103.50) 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $28.85 (All-In), as hero starts timing down villain says "I missed", Hero Folds. |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 3:05pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 4914 WPP: 81
Location: Pwnsylvania
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I all-you-can-eat the turn
Also, I bet like $20-23 on the turn |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 3:17pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1149 WPP: 94
Location: KC, MO
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This thread should be re-titled to "I like to build it big and fold it"
Any comments on the table talk? |
Last edited by Silly String on Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 3:36pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 3:28pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 753 WPP: 115
Location: Santa Cruz
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| lol why do you call the turn to fold to a river bet? |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 3:29pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
Posts: 948 WPP: 90
Location: Deventer
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| I'd shove or fold turn, and without reads and stuff shoving is my standard |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 3:57pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 2106 WPP: 97
Location: Toronto'ish
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| minSim wrote: | | I'd shove or fold turn, and without reads and stuff shoving is my standard |
Thissss.
With so little left after his turn raise, just make him pay for his draws while they haven't gotten there yet. |
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Posted: Thu, 04 Sep 2008, 5:49pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 173 WPP: 61
Location: Toronto
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This to me from a 19/10 (albeit over 40) smells of a set. Have you been cbetting a lot? A check/raise on the turn on this drawy of a board is pretty powerful. I can see 5s6s/44/77 showing up here quite a bit.
I think him talking is crying for a call. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 10:36am Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Bet more on the turn. I felt this because I'm a fish who will stack off with an over-pair every time (shit, I usually can't beat middle pair), but if I didn't then I would fold the turn.
Don't use tells to make really silly folds. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 11:40am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1149 WPP: 94
Location: KC, MO
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You lose 100% of the pots you fold out of.
He claimed he had pair+FD & put me on AK, but I still think he had a set. Limp/call UTG reaks of a small PP.
That said, you all are right, 80BB deep I should be pushing over the turn every time.
As for the turn bet size, I am trying to keep this standard w/ my 2 barrels and other turn bets. Should I not worry about balancing my turn bets vs. this villain yet? |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 11:51am Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Silly String wrote: | | As for the turn bet size, I am trying to keep this standard w/ my 2 barrels and other turn bets. |
Your standard turn bet size sucks. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 12:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 3636 WPP: 61
Location: TAGfishery
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| wow @ folding the river. just ship the turn if you are going to call. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 1:55pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 1903 WPP: 102
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| I fold the turn every time against this guy. And if you don't want to fold, please don't do what you did. And like Fnord said, your standard turn bet size is really bad. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 2:51pm Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
Posts: 1149 WPP: 94
Location: KC, MO
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I thought 2/3rd PSB was pretty standard on the turn for a semi-drawy board. It cheapens my 2 barrels, it makes b/f easier, and it keeps 2nd best hands in better.
Please enlighten me as to a better bet sizing. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 3:08pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 3636 WPP: 61
Location: TAGfishery
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| Silly String wrote: | I thought 2/3rd PSB was pretty standard on the turn for a semi-drawy board. It cheapens my 2 barrels, it makes b/f easier, and it keeps 2nd best hands in better.
Please enlighten me as to a better bet sizing. |
put me in this same camp. my standard turn bet is almost always in the 2/3-3/4 range. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 3:14pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 1903 WPP: 102
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| bode wrote: | | Silly String wrote: | I thought 2/3rd PSB was pretty standard on the turn for a semi-drawy board. It cheapens my 2 barrels, it makes b/f easier, and it keeps 2nd best hands in better.
Please enlighten me as to a better bet sizing. |
put me in this same camp. my standard turn bet is almost always in the 2/3-3/4 range. |
On a dry board it's usually fine, but this board is super wet, his hand could have a lot of equity, charge him for it. You shouldn't have a standard bet size for the turn that never changes. Put your opponent on a range vs the board and bet accordingly what you think he will call. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 8:28pm Post subject:
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One Pair

Joined: 04 Aug 2008
Posts: 20 WPP: 55
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Ok, here's my opinion and I could be wrong...
Usually in those limits, when a tight player limps/calls UTG pre-flop, I would probably put him on a small pocket pair between 22-77. With that being said, the bet on the flop was good. But when he just smooth called OOP on a board like that, I would be a little concerned as I may think he flopped a set. I don't think he would have small connectors and be on a draw. So to manage the pot, I think a check on the turn would be better and deciding if you should call whatever barrel he fires on river. But maybe the check on the turn is not +EV against him? I dont know. |
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Posted: Fri, 05 Sep 2008, 8:47pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 1903 WPP: 102
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| Never check this turn Kid, the board has every draw imaginable out there. |
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