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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 7:45am Post subject: This is why QQ is not a winner for me
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4-of-a-Kind
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($18.60)
SB ($5.75)
BB ($1.80)
Hero ($10.20)
UTG+1 ($9.85)
MP1 ($1.70)
MP2 ($18.60)
MP3 ($10.30)
CO ($4.35)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q , Q .
Hero raises to $0.4, UTG+1 raises to $1.4, 7 folds, Hero calls $1.
Flop: ($2.95) 3 , A , A (2 players)
Hero bets $1, UTG+1 raises to $2.3, Hero calls $1.30.
Turn: ($7.55) K (2 players)
Hero bets $6.5 (All-In), UTG+1 calls $6.15 (All-In).
River: ($20.20) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)
Final Pot: $19.85 |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 7:47am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 13 Jan 2006
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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| because you play it horribly? |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 7:51am Post subject:
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Full House
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dont donk bet into pfr. I raised these small bets like its my job  |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 7:57am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Renton wrote: | | because you play it horribly? | Yeah that's the point of the thread |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 8:13am Post subject:
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Straight
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Location: Sportsbook $5.50 & $11 S&G's
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| iopq wrote: | | Renton wrote: | | because you play it horribly? | Yeah that's the point of the thread |
So do you want us to point out what you did wrong or do you want to do that yourself?? In other words do you want help here or is this just a self deprecating post?
Oh well, no matter. I'll bite.
Don't min raise flop, leading the flop is bad but not horrible as you should know where you stand unless he just calls which still tells you enough. From that point on I put no more money into this pot unless a queen hits.
The turn bet made me throw up a little in my mouth.
Edit- Me saying "as you should know where you stand " ALSO made me throw up a little in my mouth when I reread my post.  |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 8:26am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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So here's my question:
what is my line here, check/fold flop?
check/call flop?
what is the plan for this hand? |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 10:02am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jun 2005
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| iopq wrote: | So here's my question:
what is my line here, check/fold flop?
check/call flop?
what is the plan for this hand? |
what do you know about your opponent? |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 10:09am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Gainesville
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| Depending on reads fold preflop, c/f flop, c/f turn. There are two players total at my game I felt this against preflop. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 10:42am Post subject:
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Straight
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| Deanglow wrote: | | Depending on reads fold preflop, c/f flop, c/f turn. There are two players total at my game I felt this against preflop. |
Fold pre-flop?? Really?? I don't see that as an option. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 10:52am Post subject:
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Full House
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| Deuce Blue wrote: | | Deanglow wrote: | | Depending on reads fold preflop, c/f flop, c/f turn. There are two players total at my game I felt this against preflop. |
Fold pre-flop?? Really?? I don't see that as an option. |
At this level most players are weak/passive types. 3bets usually indicate strong hands like AA/KK/AK, probaly more weighted to AA/KK at this level especially without any specific reads. It's a marginal call for set implied odds, so it is possibly a fold pre.
If you do call, this is ok to bet/fold, c/c or even c/f. I give up on the turn when the K pops as there are just too many hands ur behind in a 3b pot.
b/c and shoving turn is like the worst line you could take |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 12:06pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 12:09pm Post subject:
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i wouldn't mind a change...
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| jyms wrote: | | Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop. | no |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 5:03pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| either check-fold or bet-fold the flop. I prefer bet-fold, but bet $2. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 5:33pm Post subject:
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Strike 1
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| if you play any hands like this you will not be a winner. what the fuck were you thinking? |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 6:28pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| reDZill4 wrote: | | if you play any hands like this you will not be a winner. what the fuck were you thinking? | I was thinking about going back to limit |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 6:31pm Post subject:
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Strike 1
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| stick to your strengths imo. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 9:44pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| elipsesjeff wrote: | | jyms wrote: | | Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop. | no |
It's 10nl, wtf. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 10:39pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| spoonitnow wrote: | | elipsesjeff wrote: | | jyms wrote: | | Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop. | no |
It's 10nl, wtf. | yeah they only 3 bet huge hands |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 10:59pm Post subject:
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i wouldn't mind a change...
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| spoonitnow wrote: | | elipsesjeff wrote: | | jyms wrote: | | Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop. | no |
It's 10nl, wtf. |
1) Hero is UTG
2) 3better is UTG+1
3) no reads given
getting it in preflop would be pretty atrocius |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 11:18pm Post subject:
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Straight
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Location: Brisbane, Australia
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i hope this is a bluff. if it is a bluff.....it's probably not the best time for it.
(assuming this player is a quarter decent)
I probably c/c flop. c/f turn. Reason being..he won't fire the turn with anything worse then qq. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 11:25pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| elipsesjeff wrote: | | spoonitnow wrote: | | elipsesjeff wrote: | | jyms wrote: | | Why are we seeing a flop with money in our stack???? Depending on opponent this is Shove/fold preflop. | no |
It's 10nl, wtf. |
1) Hero is UTG
2) 3better is UTG+1
3) no reads given
getting it in preflop would be pretty atrocius | That is why I said depending on the opponent, it is a shove or a fold. I am not playing poker with QQ, I am either way ahead here or way behind, and that guides my decision at $10NL. |
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Posted: Fri, 25 Jul 2008, 1:30am Post subject:
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i wouldn't mind a change...
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| jyms wrote: | | I am not playing poker with QQ, I am either way ahead here or way behind, and that guides my decision at $10NL. |
i dont understand how this makes it push/fold preflop; is this so that all worse hands fold and better hands call?
I guess this is what I get for opening this thread... |
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Posted: Fri, 25 Jul 2008, 1:48am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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NL10 people will only go in PF with AK/KK/AA so it's either a fold PF or a call. If we call PF, then we hope to control the pot size and keep JJ/TT in if those are possible 3-betting hands.
This is why what I did was retarded, is that whatever hand calls my turn bet is better, and whatever hand folds is worse. |
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Posted: Fri, 25 Jul 2008, 3:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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