| Author |
Message |
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 11:10am Post subject: Idiotic bluff |
|
|
Straight
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
Posts: 159
WPP: 68
Location: Norman, OK
|
|
Couldn't post the detailed HH bc every hand but the last one was saved to my comp, but It was 90 mins into a small stakes MTT. The blinds were 100/200 and I was in the BB. The two relevant chip stacks were mine (5,600) and the button (12,000+). The std raise for the table had been 3xBB and it's folded to the button with who raises to 750, which was larger than usual obv. I thought he was stealing, and I had AQs, so I RR to 2,000. He called. I hadn't particularly noticed him being really loose or anything, and his flat call pflop made me think he had TT+ or AQ+, almost all of which I am behind. The flop comes 774 and I shove allin on the semibluff and he calls, showing TT, and I'm out.
In hindsight his play fit the descrip of TT or JJ perfectly, and I just didn't recognize it, right? JJ or TT seems to make perfect sense there, even pflop, bc most ppl reraise QQ+ there and they love to shove AK over. So this bluff was really terrible, right? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 11:27am Post subject: |
|
|
Straight Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 6655
WPP: 66
Location: Somewhere in middle america
|
|
| it's fine, one you re raise you have to go with it. Although if you really think his range is TT+, AQ+ you should of course give up. But I think it's much wider. There isn't any reason to think he'll bluff and you don't want to give a free card so you shove. Note that even here you get it in with 6 ours where as when you have a big pair and play it exactly the same he has 2. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 11:30am Post subject: |
|
|
i rarely, if ever, get pms
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 4120
WPP: 184
|
|
| Well - after you put in over 1/3 of your stack pre, you sorta have to follow through. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 11:40am Post subject: |
|
|
Straight
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
Posts: 159
WPP: 68
Location: Norman, OK
|
|
| Thoughts on the initial RR? |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 3:07pm Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 01 Nov 2005
Posts: 2690
WPP: 118
Location: GO BUCKS!
|
|
| Meh, I make it 2300 or just shove pre. I shove the flop. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 3:30pm Post subject: |
|
|
i rarely, if ever, get pms
Joined: 28 Apr 2005
Posts: 4120
WPP: 184
|
|
| Illfavor wrote: | | Thoughts on the initial RR? |
it was a value raise - u had to do it. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 5:00pm Post subject: |
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Posts: 2868
WPP: 112
Location: at your tables, calling your bets
|
|
This was neither a bluff, nor idiotic.
You played the hand fine but the fact that you're focusing on this hand is a problem, it probably means you're missing tons of value. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Wed, 23 Jul 2008, 5:37pm Post subject: |
|
|
Straight
Joined: 04 Jun 2008
Posts: 159
WPP: 68
Location: Norman, OK
|
|
| mcatdog wrote: | This was neither a bluff, nor idiotic.
You played the hand fine but the fact that you're focusing on this hand is a problem, it probably means you're missing tons of value. |
I'm sure you're right. I certainly am missing a ton of value, I'm sure. I couldn't tell you where or why because frankly I'm new at this. I saw this hand in a totally different light at the time, with it having nothing to do with value and such, but I'm learning as best and as fast as I can. I posted the hand bc I thought I made a mistake on the flop. It turns out I didn't, for reasons I didn't even consider, and I'll try to implement the lessons learned into my game. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Posted: Thu, 24 Jul 2008, 1:46am Post subject: |
|
|
3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Oct 2006
Posts: 85
WPP: 138
|
|
| mcatdog wrote: | This was neither a bluff, nor idiotic.
You played the hand fine but the fact that you're focusing on this hand is a problem, it probably means you're missing tons of value. |
sorry but what do you mean by value?
how is focusing on the hand a problem? because its standard and nothing to obsess over?
could you please reiterate; im newer and trying to learn as well |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
