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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 3:49am Post subject: I hate AQ |
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Joined: 24 Mar 2008
Posts: 261
WPP: 158
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This is exactly one of the reasons I hate AQ. I make it 3x bb PF. Get calls from the two big stacks ... who also happen to be donks.
Villain checks the flop, I bet 1/2 pot on river and the villain calls. We both check the turn and he pushes the river?
I know he could be playing ATC here. I check the pot size. I can match about 3000 chips, so I'm getting 3:1 (if I call with my last 1000 chips). Goods odds. If I've hit anything here I'm calling. Can I call this with A high?
Should I be CBing a donk who is quite likely to call? He demonstrated earlier he was willing to donk call C-Bets, and has either pushed the river or put in a steal bet on the river.
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Poker Star Game 18690456118 / Ring Game
Table Donnée non disponible -
Blinds : 50/100
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7 players
[SB] rhannah383 (3145)
[BB] Harperfr (1575)
[1] 6BOUT6ERSE6 (1450)
[2] Hero (1861)
[3] rhynstoner (3074)
[4] Jockel177 (1515)
[B] grizbi (880)
HeroA Q Initial Pot: 150
6BOUT6ERSE6 folds
Hero raises to 312
rhynstoner calls 312
Jockel177 folds
grizbi folds
rhannah383 calls 262
Harperfr folds
### FLOP ### 6 3 5 Pot: 1036
rhannah383 checks
Herobets 534
rhynstoner folds
rhannah383 calls 534
### TURN ### 5 Pot: 2104
rhannah383 checks
Hero checks
### RIVER ### 9 Pot: 2104
rhannah383 bets 1700
Hero folds
rhannah383 hide cards
rhannah383 wins 3804 from the main pot |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 4:39am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 07 Jul 2005
Posts: 8013
WPP: 134
Location: Sydney
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I tend not to c-bet into pots where:
a) we are OOP;
b) there are two players who have called the preflop raise; and
c) the flop comes pretty drawy.
[Wow, I felt like I was writing a paragraph in a contract there!] |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 5:20am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1476
WPP: 135
Location: moral high ground
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| It's not AQ that you should hate. You got owned, even in position. Preflop I'm sure you had him but after your turn check he knows he can bet and you will fold. It doesn't matter what his cards are. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 10:15am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Posts: 4048
WPP: 65
Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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| As taipan said, c-beting here is not a great move. You are up vs two players with big stacks, c-betting is a sustential part of your stack, if one of them have PP or FD with 2 overs he is not going anywhere. Check the flop and see what happens |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 10:52am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 24 Mar 2008
Posts: 261
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| TLR wrote: | | As taipan said, c-beting here is not a great move. You are up vs two players with big stacks, c-betting is a sustential part of your stack, if one of them have PP or FD with 2 overs he is not going anywhere. Check the flop and see what happens |
I concur c-betting isn't great here. In this case I think I put in a CB since I had previously raised hands (with reasonable cards and position) and failed to CB them. Obviously this isn't a very good reason to CB.
That said after the CB I think I pretty much have to check the turn and hand over control. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 10:54am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Posts: 4048
WPP: 65
Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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| As played preflop and flop I push turn, the pot is almost twice as big as your stack, and if he is drawing you may get him to fold |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 11:14am Post subject: |
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Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Posts: 308
WPP: 74
Location: NYC
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| Yes, I think if you decide to c bet you need to commit to shoving most turns if he checks back to you. If your not comfortable doing that c/f flop. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 11:19am Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1476
WPP: 135
Location: moral high ground
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| I can't imagine being comfortable holding ace high and betting your stack into a known donk. Therefore c/f flop is best line. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 11:26am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Jan 2008
Posts: 308
WPP: 74
Location: NYC
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| Generally agree with ^^ but villain could have a lot of straight draws or flush draw so turn looks like relative blank, so I shove IF I had chose to c-bet most likely. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 1:11pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 24 Mar 2008
Posts: 261
WPP: 158
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I think this the topic of this thread should be changed to ... "I can't play AQ"!  I'm certainly not comfortable pushing this hand on the turn. So I thing this is probably a c/f for me. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 1:50pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 29 Aug 2004
Posts: 4048
WPP: 65
Location: Stars $16 and $27 Sngs
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| Would it be any different if you had AK ? |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 1:57pm Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 24 Mar 2008
Posts: 261
WPP: 158
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| No, I think AQ and AK are equivalent here. |
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