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CorbinDallas
Post Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 11:13pm    Post subject: SOMEBODY PLEASE...... Reply with quote
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tell me when i am supposed to fold here... if ever.

he could easily have JJ+.

is stacking off here just part of the swings involved in ring?.... sometimes they have a set sometimes JJ-KK..... ??? i just want to know if i'm supposed to learn to fold here.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($14.90)
Hero ($25.10)
BB ($11.35)
UTG ($54.20)
MP ($37.95)
CO ($28.05)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A.
2 folds, CO raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.55, 1 fold, CO calls $1.80.

Flop: ($5.35) T, 2, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.85, CO raises to $10, Hero raises to $22.55 (All-In), CO calls $12.55.

Turn: ($50.45) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($50.45) 9 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $50.45

Results in white below:
Hero has As Ac (one pair, aces).
CO has Tc Td (three of a kind, tens).
Outcome: CO wins $50.45.
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Genitruc
Post Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 11:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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sry man

waste of space
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CorbinDallas
Post Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 11:37pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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lol.

i'm not sure what that means G.

a yes or no would be helpful.... or a virtual tongue lashing.
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Post Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 11:49pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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If you're folding aces here you're leaking money.
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CorbinDallas
Post Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 11:57pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i agree!!!

but you should go read my thread called... "does this ever end".

some were saying.... "stop stacking off with over pairs on low flops".

it was very interesting how people contradicted themselves.

anyway.... i'm a ring noob.... so still learning.
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BigPapi
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 12:33am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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don't fold here. look at the board, look at the player and think about things like:

"can he be on a draw with the preflop action"
"did the board hit his range of hands"
"is this guy ever bluffing"
"does he raise with top pair and gets allin with 1p hands"
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Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 12:37am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Make your raise bigger pre your OOP and you gave him implied set odds on the call.

Other than this you played it fine,his range is far wider than sets only.
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Genitruc
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 12:41am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Corbin he can have lots of draws and weaker overpairs

The biggest factor is that more than 10% of your stack went in preflop. If you never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever...


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Genitruc
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 12:42am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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...ever ever fold aces after the action goes like this, you'll still turn a profit.
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minSim
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 12:43am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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He's not really giving him set odds, when we have AK here we're not stacking of. 3bet size seems fine to me.

It's just a cooler, sorry but it's part of the game, live with it.
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Genitruc
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 12:52am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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minSim wrote:
He's not really giving him set odds, when we have AK here we're not stacking of. 3bet size seems fine to me.

It's just a cooler, sorry but it's part of the game, live with it.
Here are my two biggest hands from today.

Table "Gas" Seat 1 is the button.
Seat 1: HERO ($481.40 in chips)
Seat 6: OnUrBike ($886.78 in chips)
HERO: posts small blind $1
OnUrBike: posts big blind $2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Ten of Spades Ten of Hearts
HERO: raises to $7
OnUrBike: raises to $20
HERO: calls $13
----- FLOP ----- Queen of Clubs Eight of Spades Ten of Diamonds
OnUrBike: bets $27
HERO: raises to $92
OnUrBike: raises to $178
HERO: raises to $461.40 and is all-in
OnUrBike: calls $283.40
----- TURN ----- Queen of Clubs Eight of Spades Ten of Diamonds King of Hearts
----- RIVER ----- Queen of Clubs Eight of Spades Ten of Diamonds King of Hearts Ace of Spades
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows Ten of Spades Ten of Hearts (Three of a kind, Tens, Ace high)
OnUrBike: shows Queen of Diamonds Queen of Spades (Three of a kind, Queens, Ace high)
OnUrBike collected $961.80 from Main pot

Seat 1: Lutherk (£80.13 in chips)
Seat 2: HERO (£371.45 in chips)
Seat 3: Djmorris (£123 in chips)
Seat 5: Theraiser (£306 in chips)
Seat 6: JornLeth (£247 in chips)
Seat 7: Ravageur (£304.23 in chips)
Seat 8: Simmel (£200 in chips)
Seat 9: Marsdawg (£200 in chips)
Seat 10: Pucka1 (£71.81 in chips)
Ravageur: posts small blind £1
Simmel: posts big blind £2
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to HERO Six of Spades Six of Clubs
Pucka1: folds
Lutherk: folds
HERO: raises to £7
Djmorris: folds
Theraiser: calls £7
JornLeth: folds
Ravageur: folds
Simmel: calls £5
----- FLOP ----- Three of Hearts Seven of Clubs Six of Hearts
Simmel: checks
HERO: bets £15
Theraiser: calls £15
Simmel: raises to £45
HERO: raises to £364.45 and is all-in
Theraiser: is all-in £284
Simmel: is all-in £148
Returned uncalled bets £65.45 to HERO
----- TURN ----- Three of Hearts Seven of Clubs Six of Hearts King of Diamonds
----- RIVER ----- Three of Hearts Seven of Clubs Six of Hearts King of Diamonds Queen of Spades
----- SHOW DOWN -----
HERO: shows Six of Spades Six of Clubs (Three of a kind, Sixes, King high)
Theraiser: shows Seven of Hearts Seven of Spades (Three of a kind, Sevens, King high)
Simmel: shows Jack of Clubs Jack of Diamonds (A Pair of Jacks, King high)
Theraiser collected £212 from Side pot #1
Theraiser collected £598 from Main pot


This b.s. is part of the game. Spend more time thinking about the small pots, interesting ways of owning regs and ideal lines vs fish than worrying about folding the quasi-nuts.

If you had JJ in the hand you posted, then we'd have a hand worth talking about.
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CorbinDallas
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 1:50am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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i quit.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($16.15)
Hero ($25.55)
Button ($42.70)
SB ($43.55)
BB ($31.55)
UTG ($27.70)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, J.
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.25, Button calls $1.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1.

Flop: ($4.10) J, 5, K (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, MP folds.

Turn: ($10.10) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.5, Hero calls $7.50.

River: ($25.10) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $14, Hero calls $13.80 (All-In).

Final Pot: $52.70

Results in white below:
Hero has Kd Js (two pair, kings and jacks).
Button has 5c 5d (three of a kind, fives).
Outcome: Button wins $52.90.


i have 1 fucking good night out of 7. every other fucking night.... everyone hits sets and runners and shit and i lose every single big pot.

i went up 200 yesterday.... my best fucking day every at ring. tonight... right the fuck back down.... minus $50 more. back to my getting fucked in every pot more than $5.

everytime i post a hand everyone is always "call call call". and every fucking time i've called and lost a huge pot. i'm not talking just this thread.... i'm talking all my posts.

i don't get how i can be a good tourney player at micro stakes and get fkkin pounded in ring micro stakes... looke it up... jerdood.

how the fuck can you be profitable when you are calling in all these spots and losing your whole stack. that's fucking insane.

this is fucking bullshit.
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CorbinDallas
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 1:53am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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here's another.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($9.65)
Hero ($24.10)
BB ($50.55)
UTG ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K. UTG posts a blind of $0.25.
Button calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.35) 3, 5, 9 (3 players)
Hero bets $2.25, Button raises to $8.65 (All-In), Hero calls $6.40.

Turn: ($19.65) 4 (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($19.65) 7 (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $19.65

Results in white below:
Hero has Ks Kd (one pair, kings).
BB has (one pair, kings).
Button has 6d 7d (straight flush, seven high).
Outcome: Button wins $19.65.
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CorbinDallas
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 1:55am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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here's another.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (3 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($17.75)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($25.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) K, 5, 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.4, BB calls $0.40.

Turn: ($1.30) 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.3, BB raises to $2.6, Hero raises to $24.1 (All-In), BB calls $21.50.

River: ($49.50) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $49.50

Results in white below:
Hero has 6c 6s (three of a kind, sixes).
BB has 4d 7d (straight, eight high).
Outcome: BB wins $49.50.
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CorbinDallas
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 2:00am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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down $300. i can't even afford to fkkin sit at 25NL.

i fkkin quit this shit.
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BigPapi
Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 2:44am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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how many tables do you play and for how long? 300$ swings per session at 25NL is quite large imo.

idk, but i'm not folding the last 3 hands or genitruc's hands, so standard coolers. also do you think you might have tilt issues? that when you lose one of these hands you play worse after? because this is like normal pots you lose ($-wise) and you claim you went from 300 up to 50 down or something. where are the other losing hands?

btw. dont forget, you also win hands like these when you get the straight/flush against other guys' trips.
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Post Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 3:18am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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CorbinDallas wrote:
here's another.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (3 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($17.75)
Hero ($24.75)
BB ($25.70)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 6, 6.
1 fold, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($0.50) K, 5, 6