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Posted: Mon, 07 Jul 2008, 9:36pm Post subject: Theory: adjusting opening range w/ a poster at micro stakes
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Strike 1
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 3165
WPP: 106
Location: Taking the second pitch...
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Hand in discussion was 6max, raising A4s from MP with the poster in the CO and no reads on anyone left to act.
With no reads I feel A4 isn't horrible, but easily on the lose side, the response...
| Quote: | | Basically my range for the whole table would be the same as my button range normally, and my range from the CO/BTN would become huge. Theres value here just waiting for you to take it. |
My UTG/MP range would be very close to normal, while my CO/BTN range would become huge.
Thoughts?
note: I'm on American sites, he's on some euro site, which creates somewhat of a gap |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 9:57am Post subject: Re: Theory: adjusting opening range w/ a poster at micro sta
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Full House
Joined: 17 Aug 2007
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WPP: 141
Location: GA
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| swiggidy wrote: | | My UTG/MP range would be very close to normal, while my CO/BTN range would become huge. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 10:07am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3402
WPP: 70
Location: over there
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| Most important factor is who is behind you and how much attention they're paying. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 5:22pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3815
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| Quote was from me. Really, its tough to put it so exact since it depends a LOT on table dynamics, but as a general rule I'm looking for opportunities to take this free monies and I'm very flexible on my range when doing so. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 7:03pm Post subject:
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Strike 1
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 3165
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Location: Taking the second pitch...
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| Irisheyes wrote: | | Most important factor is who is behind you and how much attention they're paying. |
Which makes it tough without reads |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 7:12pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3402
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Location: over there
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| Oh sorry I didn't see that bit. In that case I agree with your assessment. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 7:33pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3815
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Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| I still think we leave value on the table if we dont open up our range in all positions. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 7:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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The problem is that people who post OOP usually aren't very good. They also don't really like folding to a raise once they've already put 1.5bb in the pot. So if we open up our EP range we're often seeing the flop OOP with weak hand and against a player who doesn't like folding.
Combine that with the number of people behind who may be astute enough to RR us very light and it's just not a great spot. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 8:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Feb 2007
Posts: 2441
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Location: Spewing
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i seriously open up my raise from all positions and don't get played back at much at all. I also add 1bb to my opening range.
if ppl on the table are clued up then ok maybe there is very little extra value to be gained but every time I play back at someone who I thought was abusing a poster I get owned by some ridic strong hand so I'm not sure you'd get played back at that much.
end nonsensical ramble. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 8:40pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 23 Feb 2008
Posts: 106
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| A4s is easily strong enough to open in these situations. I open it sometimes from EP anyways. Worth opening your range from all positions, but its still relative. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 9:32pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 15 Dec 2005
Posts: 183
WPP: 97
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| I get a bit more aggy from all spots with a poster, it's normally free money. The poster will sometimes defend which just makes it better as they are often clueless and just end up donating a bit more...welcome to the table sir! |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 10:22pm Post subject:
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Strike 1
Joined: 15 Sep 2005
Posts: 3165
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Location: Taking the second pitch...
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| One point that was never mentioned is "what is your button range" I'm playing 36/30 or so, which seems awfully wide for playing OOP. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jul 2008, 1:50am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 03 May 2007
Posts: 3815
WPP: 142
Location: Ballarat, Australia
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| Axs, Kxs, any two broadways, any PPs, SCs 56+. Something like that. Again it varies a lot based on table dynamics. |
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