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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 7:31am Post subject: Blind war vs Reg
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Opponent is kinda TAggy and has been standing up to my steady rape of his blinds. Not sure if he had a run of hitting flops or what.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($72.55)
UTG+1 ($202.30)
Hero ($282.95)
BTN ($200.00)
SB ($348.80)
BB ($416.80)
Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO ? ?
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, SB calls $5, 1 fold
Flop: ($14, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($14, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $50, SB calls $40
River: ($114, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $76, SB calls $76
My opponent had , what do you think of his play?
What do you think I had? |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 7:53am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 3220 WPP: 86
Location: Dublin
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your spewing AK like i would
Seriously i dunno what you have BUT I would guess you have air. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 8:01am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1383 WPP: 117
Location: value towning myself
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i dont get his c/c on the river, but other than that i actually like it okay.
i dont really have any clue what you have. you said he had been playing back a lot, so i could see you checking back a lot of hands, including pairs. you could also have a hand like J9cc and turned the uber draw. idk. maybe you checked back 6x on the flop. given your enormous raise size and this very drawy board that makes sense. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 8:12am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3402 WPP: 70
Location: over there
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I think you had clubs with some showdown value (K high), 79, a weak flop pair that improved on the turn, AT.
If I'm him vs you I probably c/c the turn. I've never played with you though so maybe not. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 8:14am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3402 WPP: 70
Location: over there
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| btw if you still don't have a hand on the river than I check back. Turn raise with overs or w/e would be fine but badly sized. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 8:39am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1383 WPP: 117
Location: value towning myself
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| a river bet with AT doesnt seem all that great to me. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 10:12am Post subject: Re: Blind war vs Reg
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Full House

Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 769 WPP: 151
Location: Moscow, Idaho
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| Fnord wrote: | Opponent is kinda TAggy and has been standing up to my steady rape of his blinds. Not sure if he had a run of hitting flops or what.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
PokerStars
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($72.55)
UTG+1 ($202.30)
Hero ($282.95)
BTN ($200.00)
SB ($348.80)
BB ($416.80)
Pre-flop: ($3, 6 players) Hero is CO ? ?
2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 1 fold, SB calls $5, 1 fold
Flop: ($14, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks
Turn: ($14, 2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero raises to $50, SB calls $40
River: ($114, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $76, SB calls $76
My opponent had , what do you think of his play?
What do you think I had? |
is this exercise for amazing cash and prizes? Because I'm still miffed about my runner up place in the last exercise. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 10:29am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 16 Sep 2005
Posts: 769 WPP: 151
Location: Moscow, Idaho
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as for my thoughts on the hand: SB Raises (possibly shoves) the turn I think is a better play than the call. Even if that pair did hit you he's got 14 outs to a winner, and I certainly think you've got fold equity here that's greater than the pot odds + his outs.
What I think you have? Your CO opening range is pretty wide I'd imagine. Any 2 wheelhouse cards, any PP, maybe even some suited connectors. like 67s +
The turn bet is what really gets me. You're repping a T like AT or KT, but the check behind on the flop only reeks of weakness until you raise the turn. Did you flop a nutstraight?
Finally a 75%~ish bet on the river, just smells like a value bet, and you either A) figgured since the flush was a backdoor flush your opponent wasn't good, or B) knew you were ahead of the flush.
I don't think I can nail it down to any one hand.
But 97s, any PP making a FH or Quads, and AT or KT are all feasible here. Listed in order from most likely, to least likely. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 10:44am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 17 Nov 2006
Posts: 1137 WPP: 147
Location: Duluth, MN
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9-7 is the only nut hand i could easily put in your range so i like a bet/3bet by SB as there are many more nut hands in his range.
unless he thought his MPTK had SD value and that he could get there cheaply OOP, his play stinks. also. even when he does check/shove a non pairing club river you could almost fold the second nuts since most TAGs at 200NL don't check/shove the river here without the nut flush IMO.
you could have a weaker flush, 9-7, A-10, occasionally J-J+/full house |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 11:50am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 2106 WPP: 97
Location: Toronto'ish
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I would like villain's call a lot more on a non-club river. I think clubs are a big part of your range for raisin this turn.
Your line doesn't make all that much sense, unless you slowplay a lot (57). I feel like most people would bet 79 on this flop, so I don't know if I'd put you on that.
The call on a club river is marginal (worst case scenario: very good for information on hero), and much better on a non-club river. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 12:36pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| will641 wrote: | | i dont get his c/c on the river. |
Neither did I. I guess my turn line spooked him. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 1:07pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 2106 WPP: 97
Location: Toronto'ish
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| oh and I think you had QcJc, or at least some club draw that probably didn't have enough showdown value on its own to just call the turn, and hope to check down with A high or something. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 1:10pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| griffey24 wrote: | | oh and I think you had QcJc, or at least some club draw that probably didn't have enough showdown value on its own to just call the turn, and hope to check down with A high or something. |
What's your river line? |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 1:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 2106 WPP: 97
Location: Toronto'ish
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| Fnord wrote: | | griffey24 wrote: | | oh and I think you had QcJc, or at least some club draw that probably didn't have enough showdown value on its own to just call the turn, and hope to check down with A high or something. |
What's your river line? |
For villain or for hero?
If I'm bluff raising this turn, then I'm always betting this river and repping the flush. (maybe check through sometimes with A high)
Villain should definitely be c/bombing this river since you rarely have a boat, and sometimes have a flush/straight.
(sidenote: one of my earlier posts made no sense, I thought he just had A8 - and was saying he shouldn't call a club river.. didn't notice till this post that he has the flush. reading abilities ftw) |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 2:42pm Post subject:
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Flush

Joined: 05 Sep 2006
Posts: 370 WPP: 97
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I think youve got AT, sometimes (but rarely) JJ. or some kind of a combo draw with some med. clubs on turn.
I think him calling here oop postflop is a mistake. Id rather fold or 3bet. His flat call on the river is reallly bad imo. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 3:08pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 3:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 2106 WPP: 97
Location: Toronto'ish
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| Fnord wrote: | I had Tens.
How'd I do? |
I don't think TT is strong enough of a hand to check through this flop and let cards peel. You won't know where you're at if any overcard comes.
If he's getting sick of your stealing, its even more likely he'll make a play at you on this kind of flop with hands like AJ/KQ etc, thinking you have nothing.
As played, rest is good. Surprised he didn't shove.. guess he's lucky  |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 3:46pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape

Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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| Opp played it fine besides calling river. I'd prob raise turn if i was him but calling is fine |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 3:56pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Yeah my thoughts after this hand went down was how the fuck didn't I stack him. I thought about a bunch of different river bet sizes and I thought the pot was just a bit too small to push plus my WTF turn bet might get him to look me up light on a pretty scary river against his range. check/call is such a terrible line with the Ace flush. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 4:37pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3402 WPP: 70
Location: over there
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| Fnord wrote: | I had Tens.
How'd I do? |
Given the read why not bet/call the flop and not fold? |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 4:42pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Irisheyes wrote: | | Given the read why not bet/call the flop and not fold? |
Because I'm a showdown monkey and sometimes in the unlimited hold'them we mix up our play, particularly when the pot is small. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 4:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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Location: Arlington, VA
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His play is pretty bad. He's calling your turn raise on the basis of implied odds, but if he knows you're a competent tagg, he should recognize that you would've bet the flop with any strong hand, which means your turn raise is usually a weak hand or a bluff, so his implied odds don't exist. He'd actually be better off reraising as a semi-bluff than calling and trying to make his hand.
I think the actual results here are pretty misleading. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 5:20pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush

Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644 WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| dsaxton wrote: | | if he knows you're a competent tagg. |
I play bad. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jul 2008, 5:53pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3402 WPP: 70
Location: over there
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| Fnord wrote: | | Irisheyes wrote: | | Given the read why not bet/call the flop and not fold? |
Because I'm a showdown monkey and sometimes in the unlimited hold'them we mix up our play, particularly when the pot is small. |
Cool. Personally when I have reads I like to mix up my play in ways which will cause my opponents to make the biggest mistakes possible. |
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