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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 12:49pm Post subject: JJ, under-repped, facing shove on A river - 2/5 pounds
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 2120
WPP: 97
Location: Toronto'ish
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-villain in this hand is ilduce on Crypto.
-I have played with him a lot on my old alias, and he was always very very aggro against me (always raising my leads into him, shoving over my flop raises of his cont bets a high percentage of the time)
-he's been running 20/15/2.8 lately and we haven't played that many hands together today
-I raised this flop cause I felt like I'd be repping pretty much nothing, and that he might go crazy and jam AK/AQ or something
-Turn I bet small to hopefully induce a shove from a worse hand, but river is a pretty crappy spot
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $452.46
UTG+1: $935.30
Hero: $481.65
SB: $811.20
BB: $500
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is MP with  
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $15, Hero calls, SB folds,BB folds.
Flop:    ($35, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $26, Hero raises to $85, UTG+1 calls.
Turn:  ($205, 2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $90, CO calls.
River:  ($385, 2 players)
UTG+1 is all-in $745.3, Hero to call $291.65?? |
Last edited by griffey24 on Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 2:51pm; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 2:20pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
Posts: 1137
WPP: 147
Location: Duluth, MN
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hand history looks like it might be goofed up... are you actually BTN in this hand?
he doesn't have to turn a mid pair into a bluff very often for this to be a call, so i'd call. |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 2:45pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Toronto'ish
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| Vi-Zer0Skill wrote: | hand history looks like it might be goofed up... are you actually BTN in this hand?
he doesn't have to turn a mid pair into a bluff very often for this to be a call, so i'd call. |
Thanks I fixed it, I was in position on villains left preflop. |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 3:26pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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| if ur confused call is prob a bit better than neutral ev |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 8:03pm Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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| I'm not thrilled about your turn plan. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jul 2008, 12:22am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| pocketfours wrote: | | I'm not thrilled about your turn plan. |
Trying to induce?
The decision was primarily based on how I perceived his play based on our play in the past (ie: him being aggro). It's possible that I overlooked that fact that most of this over-aggression was when he was the PFR and ppl were trying to take that away from him.
I suppose if he didn't shove over my flop raise to begin with, he might not shove now.
Though even if he had overs, I don't mind him calling this bet with only 6 outs on the turn. A smaller bet might also lure lower worse pairs to call another street and get value towned on the river.
short version: I felt a big bet would get action from all better hands and some worse hands, but a smaller bet would get action from all the same better hands but might also win the most from hands that would fold otherwise.
Flawed logic? |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jul 2008, 4:39am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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| griffey24 wrote: | | pocketfours wrote: | | I'm not thrilled about your turn plan. |
Trying to induce?
The decision was primarily based on how I perceived his play based on our play in the past (ie: him being aggro). It's possible that I overlooked that fact that most of this over-aggression was when he was the PFR and ppl were trying to take that away from him.
I suppose if he didn't shove over my flop raise to begin with, he might not shove now.
Though even if he had overs, I don't mind him calling this bet with only 6 outs on the turn. A smaller bet might also lure lower worse pairs to call another street and get value towned on the river.
short version: I felt a big bet would get action from all better hands and some worse hands, but a smaller bet would get action from all the same better hands but might also win the most from hands that would fold otherwise.
Flawed logic? |
I'm just nitpicking really, but yes, I don't think this is the right place to induce, much because of reasons you mentioned yourself. I also don't think your bet looks like a b/f all that much.
If I c/r this flop, then I would bet turn around $135 with my full range. I want to bet the same amount regardless of what I have and I think a bigger bet with your whole range will show a bigger profit. A bet of $90 is just too fancy in a std situation vs reg and now you're in a tough spot where you didn't need to be. |
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Posted: Sat, 05 Jul 2008, 1:25am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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You raised the flop showing a lot of strength and got called.
I think the turn is a pretty key commitment point.
If you want to commit, I'd bet like $150ish right there.
If you want to induce, check behind to balance this hand with the times you raise the flop and give up if called.
If two blanks drop, you check the turn behind and value bet the river I think you're more likely to induce a bluff shove. |
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Posted: Sat, 05 Jul 2008, 12:05pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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i agree the turn bet sucks...
also fold river instantly |
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Posted: Sat, 05 Jul 2008, 1:13pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Location: Montreal
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| Massimo wrote: |
also fold river instantly | |
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Posted: Sat, 05 Jul 2008, 4:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Alexos wrote: | | Massimo wrote: |
also fold river instantly | |
bolded instantly implies that this is an ace like way way more than 70% of the time on this river?!
If that's truly the case, there are probably a ton of spots I should be insta-folding... cause I really thought being ahead 30% might be good here. |
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Posted: Sat, 05 Jul 2008, 6:26pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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Location: Montreal
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| Well not against that guy (ilduce?) dont think ure good 30% of the time. |
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