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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 1:02pm Post subject: full ring...thin
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2293
WPP: 46
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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1) Seat 1: mtg38skopok2 ($950 in chips)
Seat 2: TBomber ($1025 in chips)
Seat 3: Alaton ($925 in chips)
Seat 4: nimzon ($850 in chips)
Seat 5: idoubleL ($7438 in chips)
Seat 6: H@££INGGOL ($5125 in chips)
Seat 7: moneywiz1 ($6254 in chips)
Seat 8: kjaka48582 ($6328 in chips)
Seat 9: nutsinho ($9439 in chips)
kjaka48582: posts small blind $25
nutsinho: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nutsinho [9h Qh]
mtg38skopok2: folds
TBomber: folds
Alaton: folds
nimzon: folds
idoubleL: folds
H@££INGGOL: raises $100 to $150
moneywiz1: folds
kjaka48582: calls $125
nutsinho: calls $100
*** FLOP *** [3h 4s 9c]
kjaka48582: bets $350
nutsinho: calls $350
H@££INGGOL: folds
*** TURN *** [3h 4s 9c] [Jh]
kjaka48582: bets $950
nutsinho: calls $950
*** RIVER *** [3h 4s 9c Jh] [3d]
kjaka48582: checks
nutsinho: bets $2250
V is pretty good limit holdem regular i think, but probably isn't too good at the fine art of NL.
2)Seat 2: maximilian74 ($5212.25 in chips)
Seat 4: nutsinho ($4975 in chips)
Seat 5: Bullitos ($4925 in chips)
Seat 7: Sekt1 ($5150 in chips)
Seat 8: idoubleL ($1025 in chips)
Seat 9: 12443267 ($5000 in chips)
idoubleL: posts small blind $25
12443267: posts big blind $50
Krazyball has returned
mtg38skopok2: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nutsinho [Kd Ad]
maximilian74: folds
nutsinho: raises $100 to $150
Bullitos: folds
Sekt1: folds
mtg38skopok2 was removed from the table for failing to post
idoubleL: folds
12443267: raises $300 to $450
nutsinho: calls $300
*** FLOP *** [As 7s Qd]
mtg38skopok2 joins the table at seat #6
12443267: checks
nutsinho: bets $500
12443267: calls $500
*** TURN *** [As 7s Qd] [8s]
12443267: checks
idoubleL leaves the table
nutsinho: bets $1200
12443267: raises $2850 to $4050 and is all-in
nutsinho: calls $2825 and is all-in
2) V is random unknown, so probably not too good. His flop check was insta. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 1:54pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
Posts: 477
WPP: 120
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Its not like I play highstakes, but... my thinking on hand one would be that you should just check behind.... I think if you get called on the river you'll be more often(i think?) losing and I don't think he would fold a jack.
Second hand I have no idea.  |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 2:00pm Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2293
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Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| Phantaroth wrote: | I think if you get called on the river you'll be more often(i think?) losing and I don't think he would fold a jack.
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I am certainly not attempting a bluff. Why would he have a jack? |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 2:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 3326
WPP: 84
Location: practicing mindfulness
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1. I like.
2. I'm having trouble putting him on a hand, so I also like. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 2:26pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
Posts: 3402
WPP: 71
Location: over there
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1) Yep I think you have the best hand most of the time. I probablt fold the turn though if we don't pick up a draw.
2) I think he never has a flush so the only better hand I can give him is a bent played AQ or QQ or something. I wouldn't fold it though. Why didn't you 4bet pre? |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 2:48pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 2521
WPP: 92
Location: Arlington, VA
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In hand one, since his range probably consists almost entirely of one pair hands, and since you're only worried about A-9 suited, K-9 suited or maybe T-T (I would think he usually mucks K-9 and 3-bets T-T), it's nearly impossible for him to call with a range that is a favorite over your hand (especially if his play is reasonably self-consistent), so I think betting is good. Plus, if your opponent in this hand is a limit holdem specialist, there's a good chance that he errs on the side of paying off too much in no limit.
Hand two sucks, but I probably call as well. It's probably barely a winning play, though. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 3:16pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6113
WPP: 73
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I like one.
I think we have to fold the turn on 2. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 3:18pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 31 Jan 2006
Posts: 477
WPP: 120
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| nutsinho wrote: | | Phantaroth wrote: | I think if you get called on the river you'll be more often(i think?) losing and I don't think he would fold a jack.
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I am certainly not attempting a bluff. Why would he have a jack? |
errr.... Well I guess this is why I don't play high stakes?  |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 4:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1957
WPP: 55
Location: Dizzy
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in the first hand the only 2 hands which call you are T9, 98,- so i dont like it
2nd hand is good:: u prob know this but u should take a mix of 4bet call pre, raise flop, bet turn, bet/call river |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 7:56pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6113
WPP: 73
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| sauce123 wrote: | in the first hand the only 2 hands which call you are T9, 98,- so i dont like it
2nd hand is good:: u prob know this but u should take a mix of 4bet call pre, raise flop, bet turn, bet/call river |
Were assuming opp wont make a mistake and put him on a missed draw, and call with Ace high? (65, turned fd, QT, T8 float) |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 8:24pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1309
WPP: 71
Location: Montreal
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1- I think its close, does he ever have 77/88 here? How bad is ur image etc.. This would be more std with A9
2- i think its fine, we cant b/f turn.. are we not 4betting AK preflop b/c its full ring or just varying ur play? |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 10:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Feb 2007
Posts: 1957
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Location: Dizzy
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | sauce123 wrote: | in the first hand the only 2 hands which call you are T9, 98,- so i dont like it
2nd hand is good:: u prob know this but u should take a mix of 4bet call pre, raise flop, bet turn, bet/call river |
Were assuming opp wont make a mistake and put him on a missed draw, and call with Ace high? (65, turned fd, QT, T8 float) |
he rarely has ace high isthe problem |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jul 2008, 11:55pm Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2293
WPP: 46
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| Alexos wrote: | 1- I think its close, does he ever have 77/88 here? How bad is ur image etc.. This would be more std with A9
2- i think its fine, we cant b/f turn.. are we not 4betting AK preflop b/c its full ring or just varying ur play? |
1. probably has 77/88 sometimes. I think this is pretty key as well- I put him mostly on T9s/98s/A9s with some K9s/TT and some worse pairs. He could also be giving up with 56s but that's irrelevant to my value bet because I think he will c/r me close to 0% of the time in this spot.
2. Both of these reasons plus it's suited and in position. This was 6handed at the time though. Also, a smallish OOP reraise from a random is pretty phasing to me. |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 6:31am Post subject:
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One Pair
Joined: 12 Mar 2007
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WPP: 106
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1. I think the board is too dry for this. ISF: Why would one ever want to float the donkbet with T8/QT here? Makes very little sense to me...
2. Meh spot, but I probably wouldn't b/f here so I like the call. Villain could often have KxKs/AxKs or spew. C/c this flop with the nuts seems pretty ridic. |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 2:16pm Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2293
WPP: 46
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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RESULTS:
1- villain snapped TT
2- I held vs KsQx |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 2:56pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 2120
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Location: Toronto'ish
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| nutsinho wrote: | RESULTS:
1- villain snapped TT |
Would you have called if he triple barreled?
I don't really like his check on this river at all. I think you're checking through a huge part of your range that gets to this river, and he's almost always ahead. |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jul 2008, 3:32pm Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2293
WPP: 46
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| griffey24 wrote: | | nutsinho wrote: | RESULTS:
1- villain snapped TT |
Would you have called if he triple barreled?
I don't really like his check on this river at all. I think you're checking through a huge part of your range that gets to this river, and he's almost always ahead. |
No and I agree, except if he knows i'm going to VB thin/bluff but not call light then his check is great! |
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