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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 4:51am Post subject: Just figured out why everyone limps...
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3-of-a-Kind
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| Because it works! Limping with suited connectors and suited aces has been working wonders for me tonight, I went down 2 buy-ins on bogus beats (KK vs. A7s pre flop beat by flush, trips called by a all in flush DRAW), and from there I just started limping to try to see a lot of flops, and it's worked wonders. I've also found that I'm risking less, not as often am I trying to c-bet to try take down pots, of course I still have to, just not as often. |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 6:05am Post subject:
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Full House
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| Dude you cant draw conclusions from such a small sample |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 7:20am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Limping works, if no one raises. At my tables, when I'm in the cutoff or button, I get three or four limpers, raise it up 6xBB and maybe get one caller thats 6BB+4BB+Blinds. Not a bad way to start a hand HU With PP's or Broadway in position. You come to my tables and limping will cost you 2 or 3BB an orbit. |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 7:51am Post subject:
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Learning what "the long term" means will be one of the greatest realisations of your poker career. Nobody can draw conclusions from just a couple of hands. Thinking this is part of the reason poker can be such a profitable game. People make mistakes for a couple of hands, but it works out for them so they start doing it long term and they lose alot of money. If you feel that you are losing lots through continuation bettting then you are plobably doing it to the wrong people or on the wrong boards.
Although in saying that I believe there is more of a case for limping in really low stakes games then most people realise. Don't start limping trash though, it won't work in the long run. |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 8:48am Post subject:
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Full House
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| arkana wrote: | | Dude you cant draw conclusions from such a small sample |
It's not the size of the sample, it's how you draw conclusions from it....or something |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 2:36pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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| Ya, just because this worked for you one night doesnt mean you should start limping all the time. You can however profit from this if you are at a passive table where there are almost no raises preflop. |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 2:50pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| SHUT UP WITH THE ADVICE AND LAUGH AT MY PENIS JOKE |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 3:10pm Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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| bigred wrote: | | SHUT UP WITH THE ADVICE AND LAUGH AT MY PENIS |
fyp |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 4:53pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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lol
more bigred advice, keeps getting better |
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Posted: Thu, 13 Jul 2006, 5:21pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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I suppose. But I think you guys are getting me a little wrong, it's not like I'm trying to see 50% of the flops, I'm only seeing 23% of total flops, and a hell of a lot of them are from the BB. It's just that there were those hands that I used to raise with from late position into the blinds, but really I just wanted to see the flop. And then I'd miss the flop and fire into the blinds, and it started to cost me.
I can completely understand why at a higher stakes table you wouldn't want to limp nearly as much, though, because it allows people to put you on a much smaller range of hands. Suited connectors, pocket pairs, suited aces... But at the micro stakes I'm playing limping these hands often works because there's always a couple other limpers, and if you hit, someones bound to play a pot with you. |
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Posted: Fri, 14 Jul 2006, 5:54am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| Don't play suited aces unless there is more then 3 people in the pot already btw. And don't call raises with them. |
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Posted: Fri, 14 Jul 2006, 6:05pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
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| Irisheyes wrote: | | Don't play suited aces unless there is more then 3 people in the pot already btw. And don't call raises with them. | if there's only one raiser, sometimes I don't mind calling because people often raise with strong aces, so if I hit two pair I can win a pot, and if I miss a nice flop and my opponent plays strong, I can just fold. |
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Posted: Sat, 15 Jul 2006, 5:22am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| FlopTurnThenRivered wrote: | | Irisheyes wrote: | | Don't play suited aces unless there is more then 3 people in the pot already btw. And don't call raises with them. | if there's only one raiser, sometimes I don't mind calling because people often raise with strong aces, so if I hit two pair I can win a pot, and if I miss a nice flop and my opponent plays strong, I can just fold. |
Your logic here is horrible. You never want to be putting money in preflop with what is a dominated hand. Your chances of winning are severely reduced. Look at these numbers:
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Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Kc 1180601 68.95 463878 27.09 67825 3.96 0.709
Ad 6d 463878 27.09 1180601 68.95 67825 3.96 0.291 |
compared to A non Ace High hand:
| Code: | Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Kc 1029832 60.14 674947 39.42 7525 0.44 0.604
7d 6d 674947 39.42 1029832 60.14 7525 0.44 0.396 |
You are 12% more likely to win with the 7high. If people raise with strong aces your chances of winning are crushed. And you only hit 2 pair 1 out of ever 50 times you call his raise. That is a huge leak. |
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