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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 9:08am Post subject: Is this fishy? |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $1815
CO: $1117.50
Button: $998
Hero: $1108
BB: $1285.75
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with Q K
3 folds, Hero raises to $35, BB calls.
Flop: 2 T 8 ($70, 2 players)
Hero bets $75, BB calls.
Turn: J ($220, 2 players)
Hero bets $200, BB raises to $400, Hero calls. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 9:37am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
Posts: 83
WPP: 111
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in this sistuation your the fish!!!!!
You guy ridcule my play and your playing this after the flop????? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 9:52am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
WPP: 146
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| I like the aggression, but once he re-raises the turn I would have to let it go... |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 9:54am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
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| In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 10:05am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Nov 2004
Posts: 2036
WPP: 142
Location: http://ilikeaces86.blogspot.com/
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| LimpinAintEZ wrote: | | I like the aggression, but once he re-raises the turn I would have to let it go... |
Unless you think you can stack him close to 100% of the time u hit. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 10:08am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7807
WPP: 51
Location: trying to live
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| i think he prob has 2 pair, so you get def stack him with 6 of the ours, but the other 2 (9c and Ac) would be much harder to get the money in. if hes a regular i fold but if hes someone that i dont recognize (like if they ar eonly on one of my tables) then i call and just push any card that i hit. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 10:12am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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Location: trying to live
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| exsentrik wrote: | | In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways |
people here know alot more about poker than you do, sorry. he raised before the flop, representing a big hand. big hands usually bet the flop, so he did. its like a bluff because most of the time the other guy won't have anything. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 10:52am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
Posts: 83
WPP: 111
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Are you kidding me????
1. Hes out of position
2. He gets raised on the flop
3. He gets reaised on the turn
4. He hasn’t hit any of his cards.
5. Villian is sitting on at least 2 pair or a pair of 10s
The so called FTR “pro’s” should really stop giving crappy advise |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:00am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Posts: 592
WPP: 146
Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| gabe wrote: | | exsentrik wrote: | | In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways |
people here know alot more about poker than you do, sorry. he raised before the flop, representing a big hand. big hands usually bet the flop, so he did. its like a bluff because most of the time the other guy won't have anything. |
I agree, mostly - But in the hand mentioned hasn't the villain already represented a bigger hand? solid bet on flop, followed by a $200 bet on the turn when he raises to $400...A min-raise there is saying he wants to be called, doesn't it? he isn't trying to push him out of the hand with that raise - I know mostly they won't have anything, but after you fire 2 barrels and get re-raised, dont' you have to give the guy respect at that point? What is the 72nd level thinking that im' missing here?  |
Last edited by LimpinAintEZ on Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:04am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:04am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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Location: trying to live
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| LimpinAintEZ wrote: | | gabe wrote: | | exsentrik wrote: | | In this sistuation you have to options on the turn. You raise big or you fold. You don't call. But you should never get yourself in this position after the flop anyways |
people here know alot more about poker than you do, sorry. he raised before the flop, representing a big hand. big hands usually bet the flop, so he did. its like a bluff because most of the time the other guy won't have anything. |
I agree, mostly - But in the hand mentioned hasn't the villain already represented a bigger hand? solid bet on flop, followed by a $200 bet on the turn when he raises to $400...A min-raise there is saying he wants to be called, doesn't it? I know mostly they won't have anything, but after you fire 2 barrels and get re-raised, dont' you have to give the guy respect at that point? What is the 72nd level thinking that im' missing here? |
if the villian has a big hand, then we are almost guaranteed to get paid off if we hit our straight |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:16am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| still seems like a high price to pay with only 1 card to come - I can't imagine him cold-calling the flop then min-raising the turn with less than 2 pair - So us catching a K or Q can't be good - He could be club drawing and semi-bluffing the turn (if he has a pr with his flush draw maybe) - and if we catch our straight, won't it be obvious? Or do most people assume we would be betting a flush draw on this board? 6 outs gives us roughly 12% to win, so don't we lose close to 90% here? Unless we push any river and get him to fold, I just don't see the call for the turn raise.... |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:29am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
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| Eat Bugs your retarded you would call that all the way down to the river on a straight draw? I guess that’s the diverance of some one like me who plays 10/20 and someone like you that plays .25/.50. I can’t believe you would seggest that in this instance. I was seconded guessin my self and what I had written in the other post, until I just saw wat you wrote. Most of you “pros” on FTR are a bunch of zit faced teens who think they know how to play poker but don’t’ know shit. Good luck at the .25/50 table!!!!! |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:30am Post subject: |
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EAT BUGS
Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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Location: trying to live
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| exsentrik wrote: | | Good luck at the .25/50 table!!!!! |
thanks.
btw, check out my challenge to you in your thread |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:34am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2005
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| Lets do it. Ill set up a private talbe at absolute or PartyPoker which ever you perfer. Lets make it intresting though. 5/10 or 10/20 Buy in for 1000 or 2000. I am avaible after 5 pm pst. Lets post this on the boards at FTR so the rest of your wanabee buddies can see too. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:41am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:47am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
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| So eat bugs talks a lot of game, but he can’t stick his money were his mouth is. Im waiting. Ill even give you my cell number, if you prefer to talk to me. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 11:48am Post subject: |
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Flush
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
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Location: working myself up to FTR fullhouse status while not giving 1 solid piece of advice
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| wow - i guess someone doesn't read the stakes and the hand histories gabe posts? I think Gabe and WildBob are the very LAST guys i would challenge....(aces is open season though and exsentwhatever - you were not even correct in your analysis - on #2 he got called when he bet the flop - He has all the initiative until the turn - Initiative certainly makes up for position a lot of times....maybe you need to breathe dude - |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 12:01pm Post subject: |
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OLD MAN RIVER
Joined: 14 Sep 2005
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I like the second barrel on the turn but, maaaan...I have a tough time making that call....
Implied odds is everything here...Does a smaller turn bet make this any easier to play, or do we care about $100 either way? |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 12:30pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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Well, I figured I was about 5-1 to make it, I counted all 8 outs because I don't see a FD ever min-raising. Even if he has a pair + fd, he's pushing if he's aggro or calling if he's passive but not minraising. There was 830 in the pot and 200 back to me so I was playing it pretty thin. He ended up having a 9 so I really only had 7 outs and was 16% to hit. I also wanted to build up a big stack early in the session.
exsentrik, you have a very poor attitude and are setting yourself up for failure. take the advice that is given to you for free and learn from it. I have nothing against you, just hoping that you open your eyes. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 12:45pm Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
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Hey
You know what, you guys are right. I shouldn’t be acting out like this. I apologize to eats bugs. But you have to understand from my point of view too, I asked for a opiion of my play and were I messed up, and everyone jumped down my throat giving me a whole, HOLYIER THAN THOU attitude. It just put me on the defensive. If you read my original post you will see that I head a good read on this guy, and I know how he plays. I have played him many times. Again, eat bugs and the rest of the FTR crew, im sorry if I stepped over the line. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 1:00pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
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| You weren't jumped on for your play, you were jumped on for posting a bad beat. |
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Posted: Wed, 28 Jun 2006, 1:10pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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| exsentrik wrote: | Hey
You know what, you guys are right. I shouldn’t be acting out like this. I apologize to eats bugs. But you have to understand from my point of view too, I asked for a opiion of my play and were I messed up, and everyone jumped down my throat giving me a whole, HOLYIER THAN THOU attitude. It just put me on the defensive. If you read my original post you will see that I head a good read on this guy, and I know how he plays. I have played him many times. Again, eat bugs and the rest of the FTR crew, im sorry if I stepped over the line. |
Well, I think thats a good start. I still highly reccommend a bigger than 10 buyin bankroll because the swings are so great. You have people pushing and calling pushes with any pair + draw and pulling big bluffs, making big calls, etc that 10 buyins can come and go during any day. The widely accepted bankroll for playing long term at 10/20 is $100,000. |
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Posted: Thu, 29 Jun 2006, 11:07am Post subject: |
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3-of-a-Kind
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