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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 8:54am Post subject: SERIOUZLY wtf does he have
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EAT BUGS
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i have him been reraising alot on the table, so maybe preflop i should have just reraised to make it easier......but ilikeaces86x hasn't gotten out of line really. i have no idea what he would ever play like this...hes bluffing right??
***** Hand History for Game 3788359685 *****
$600 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, March 21, 00:30:23 ET 2006
Table Table 96737 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bulldog_vn ( $773.31 )
Seat 2: roshstar ( $1743.02 )
Seat 5: ilikeaces86x ( $608.27 )
Seat 6: galactical ( $691.30 )
Seat 4: PrinsParis ( $978 )
Seat 3: KD227 ( $124 )
galactical posts small blind [$3].
bulldog_vn posts big blind [$6].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to galactical [ Qc Qd ]
roshstar folds.
KD227 folds.
PrinsParis folds.
ilikeaces86x raises [$20].
galactical calls [$17].
bulldog_vn folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 5h, Ts ]
galactical checks.
ilikeaces86x checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jc ]
galactical bets [$40].
ilikeaces86x raises [$120].
galactical calls [$80].
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
galactical checks.
ilikeaces86x is all-In.
galactical calls ???? |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 9:00am Post subject:
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Straight
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KQ - Semi Bluff raise on the turn - over bet on river with the nuts
just a thought........ |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:06am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| yea i was definitely thinking the turn was a semibluff, but did he get there ? if he had Axh would he play the same? hmmm |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:17am Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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| JJ fits the preflop raise. Think I would've reraised there. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:28am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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I think he has you beat. He saw the turn action as your willingness to pay for showdown. He knows you're strong here. He puts your hand on the high range. I'm thinking he put you on AJ. He wants a call.
The thing I'm wondering is if you had AJ in that turn spot, would you let him get away with a semibluff reraise without 3-betting back? If he reads you somewhat passive then he might put you on a possible AJ and semibluff anyway. I'm leaning towards not believing the turn bet is a semibluff at all. It just doesn't fit unless it was a poorly thought out semibluff. |
Last edited by Rondavu on Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:37am; edited 4 times in total
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:30am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:43am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:43am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| also, does the fact i was talking to him on AIM make him more likely to try to make a move? |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:47am Post subject:
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OLD MAN RIVER
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| gabe wrote: | | why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws |
Why would you not bet into him with a blank flop? |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:48am Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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| gabe wrote: | | why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws |
If his read was that you like to cold call with big pairs, then he knows you can't be drawing, 'cept to two outs. Also, heads up, a check behind with AA isn't quite as dangerous. I think the danger is more than made up for by the deception the play creates.
I was just kidding about the aces though. I think KQ is the most possible holding. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 11:56am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| gabe wrote: | | why would he check JJ or AA on the flop when there are draws |
I don't protect against every draw. Sometimes I ignore the draw, based on a lot of different criteria. JJ doesn't check behind this flop regardless. AA is certainly capable. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 12:05pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Renton wrote: | | If his read was that you like to cold call with big pairs, then he knows you can't be drawing, 'cept to two outs. |
yea.. my preflop call is stupid, especially considering i was reraising lots of people on the table. next time i play with him i'll go for blood! |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 12:06pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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| gabe wrote: | | Renton wrote: | | If his read was that you like to cold call with big pairs, then he knows you can't be drawing, 'cept to two outs. |
yea.. my preflop call is stupid, especially considering i was reraising lots of people on the table. next time i play with him i'll go for blood! |
so were you busted by aces's aces? Or did you lay down? |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 12:11pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| i called just so i could post the hand here and tell everyone what i lose to (or tell how great a call I made) |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:03pm Post subject:
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| Never played this high, so take this fwiw. If you think the possibility of him raising the turn on a semi-bluff is a good one, then why not shove it in? Also, given his button raise and depending on how lag he was playing, you have to include 55/66/TT in his range. If he was playing lag and opening a wide range from the button, I think you almost have to reraise this preflop, and be prepared to play for stacks on a safe flop. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:11pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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| bdawg56kg wrote: | | Never played this high, so take this fwiw. If you think the possibility of him raising the turn on a semi-bluff is a good one, then why not shove it in? |
He would have to be VERY sure that it was a semibluff for this play to be profitable. This is what makes the semibluff play so powerful. If aces has KQ, he is ~~25% to win on the river with his 11 outs. So he has 25% equity in this pot. However, he'll fold to a push in this case, and hero will win only ~~150 bucks.
If aces is really on a set or aces, he will obviously insta-call your push and you will have 4% equity in a 1200 dollar pot.
So if aces is sitting on a monster even 10-20% of the time he makes this play, hero loses money by pushing over the top in the long run. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:35pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:36pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:38pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| I raised on the button with JJ. When he didn't Re-raise me preflop I was about 90% certain he had QQ-AA. So I checked the flop planning to fold to any bet or hit my 2 outer. My J came on the turn and I bwned him. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:43pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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damn
he introduced camping for sets to ftr and he stacks me
but yea bwned fo real |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:44pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| i'm just gonna tell myself i had TT and played it fine, just got unlucky |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 1:51pm Post subject:
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Season III
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| ilikeaces86 wrote: | | When he didn't Re-raise me preflop I was about 90% certain he had QQ-AA. |
I'm curious to know why this is. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 2:15pm Post subject:
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Not a thinking person
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| What are 'good players' calling another 'good player' OOP with? TRAP |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 2:19pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| WildBobAA wrote: | | ilikeaces86 wrote: | | When he didn't Re-raise me preflop I was about 90% certain he had QQ-AA. |
I'm curious to know why this is. |
i dont think i had just called a raise on the table before that. i think his range for me is just any pocket pair aa-22 here. i'm not reraising 22 from blinds, although i might fold it since i probably won't stack him when i hit a set. |
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Posted: Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 2:20pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS
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| Triptan3s wrote: | | What are 'good players' calling another 'good player' OOP with? TRAP |
good players trap good players by reraising with a wide range preflop so that way the villian never knows when hero actually does have the big pair. thats why my preflop play was bad.
the tough tricky players aren't tricky because they don't rreaise preflop, they are tricky because they reraise lots of hands. |
Last edited by gabe on Tue, 21 Mar 2006, 2:24pm; edited 1 time in total
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