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Posted: Thu, 26 Jan 2006, 11:15pm Post subject: 2-pair, standard?
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 05 Jan 2005
Posts: 1706 WPP: 149
Location: Kansas
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Just getting into 6-max...I'm pretty sure I played this one correctly, may have gotten a little more out of it, who knows?
Should I have played this differently? Yes/no?
***** Hand History for Game 3443071712 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 26, 22:04:53 EDT 2006
Table Table 72650 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Yaweh01 ( $53 )
Seat 2: AAbeatsUU ( $99.50 )
Seat 3: PaulBearer_ ( $292.60 )
Seat 4: clydem111 ( $159.61 )
Seat 5: UltimateGW ( $146.89 )
Seat 6: kipster_2008 ( $80.31 )
clydem111 posts small blind [$0.50].
UltimateGW posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to UltimateGW [ Ah Th ]
kipster_2008 calls [$1].
Yaweh01 calls [$1].
AAbeatsUU folds.
PaulBearer_ folds.
clydem111 folds.
UltimateGW checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7s, As, 9s ]
>You have options at Table 65037 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
UltimateGW bets [$3].
kipster_2008 calls [$3].
Yaweh01 folds.
Bigger ace is doubtful here, but maybe a flopped flush?
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
UltimateGW checks.
kipster_2008 bets [$3].
UltimateGW calls [$3].
If I can see this cheap that would be cool.
** Dealing River ** [ Tc ]
UltimateGW checks.
kipster_2008 bets [$8].
UltimateGW calls [$8].
Okay, I hit my 2-pair...unless I'm up against a flush I win (no chance he has a set with the way he played it). I call, but I don't re-raise because only a bigger hand will call/push on me, right?
kipster_2008 shows [ Jd, Qs ] high card ace.
UltimateGW shows [ Ah, Th ] two pairs, aces and tens.
UltimateGW wins $29.95 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and tens.
Looking at it, it's pretty standard...What do you think? |
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Posted: Thu, 26 Jan 2006, 11:24pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS

Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7810 WPP: 51
Location: trying to live
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| depending on what i think of opponent, i sometimes bet the turn. other than that, i check call that river everytime because the big spades that whiffed always try to take it down. |
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Posted: Thu, 26 Jan 2006, 11:45pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 2521 WPP: 92
Location: Arlington, VA
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| His turn play makes a flush draw seem unlikely. He probably has an ace or a flush (an ace being more likely), and you risk him checking behind with an ace by checking the river. I'd make a reasonable bet on the river and fold to a raise. This line (bet, check-call, bet), looks like a semi-bluff and river bluff, so he'll probably be fairly liberal with his calls. |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 5:13am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 1090 WPP: 125
Location: Bangkok
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Either bet turn, check/call river OR
CR turn OR
check-call turn, lead river |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 7:52am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS

Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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| dsaxton wrote: | | His turn play makes a flush draw seem unlikely. |
how?? fish underbet flush draws all the time.
i think any line that is leading the river is a bad idea. the draw missed, let them bet! |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 9:25am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 1090 WPP: 125
Location: Bangkok
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yesterday I had some hands like this, an example:
KJ on BB, CO limps, SB completes, I check
flop K95 two tone, I bet 2/3 CO calls SB folds
turn some shit, I bet about the same CO calls
river some shit, I check, he thinks for 3 secs and bets 1/2 pot, I insta-call, CO had some shit and was on a flush draw. Happened at least twice yesterday. I think this is a really simple but yet so misunderstood concept here. Dnuts played similar hand well: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=27597
dont be like the guy from gauntlet after I checked the river with a boat when I was pretty sure villain didnt have anything, villain checks and the guy goes "why didnt you bet" me "I thought he didnt have anything" him "you should bet then" err... |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 10:08am Post subject:
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Flush

Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 469 WPP: 172
Location: U, S and A!!!
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| Pingviini wrote: | Either bet turn, check/call river OR
CR turn OR
check-call turn, lead river |
yes. |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 10:32am Post subject:
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Two Pair

Joined: 29 Sep 2005
Posts: 32 WPP: 121
Location: UK
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| Quote: | Either bet turn, check/call river OR
CR turn OR
check-call turn, lead river |
Is what we are after a cheap show-down? The first and third line look towards that end and i like them. C/R turn looks expensive tho, or am i missing something? is there a river plan in case the ten doesnt fall. Also I presume in the first instance you are bet/folding the turn? |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 10:59am Post subject:
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EAT BUGS

Joined: 07 Dec 2004
Posts: 7810 WPP: 51
Location: trying to live
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| Pingviini wrote: | yesterday I had some hands like this, an example:
KJ on BB, CO limps, SB completes, I check
flop K95 two tone, I bet 2/3 CO calls SB folds
turn some shit, I bet about the same CO calls
river some shit, I check, he thinks for 3 secs and bets 1/2 pot, I insta-call, CO had some shit and was on a flush draw. Happened at least twice yesterday. I think this is a really simple but yet so misunderstood concept here. Dnuts played similar hand well: http://www.flopturnriver.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=27597
dont be like the guy from gauntlet after I checked the river with a boat when I was pretty sure villain didnt have anything, villain checks and the guy goes "why didnt you bet" me "I thought he didnt have anything" him "you should bet then" err... |
yea..newbies watch rounders and hear the line "if your hand is worth a call, then you should bet," but thats really not true |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 11:01am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 08 Feb 2005
Posts: 1090 WPP: 125
Location: Bangkok
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w/o a read re-raise on turn and I am out.
turn CR is expensive but also most effective. drops off many hands that otherwise would be calling our bet.
check-call on turn suggests a draw, now the flush draw doesnt come and we have top 2. Time to value bet, an A will call, also fold to re-raise. W/o T on river it gets trickier but I still bet river to get value from hands that would fold otherwise, depends on how turn went. |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 11:12am Post subject:
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Straight Flush

Joined: 21 Jun 2005
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Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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bet flop
check call turn
block river. |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 11:24am Post subject:
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Full House

Joined: 08 Feb 2005
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Location: Bangkok
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blocking bets suck..
how big are your blocking bets miffy? |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 12:24pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 176 WPP: 57
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I'm not into that whole "block betting" thang.... maybe I need to learn.
If I'm not sure by the river about my hand and I'm out of position then I will just bet 1-2BB into the pot and let my opponent decide what to do.
I'll decided THEN whether I think it's prudent to make that call.
If the pot is 50, and "I block bet"---I'm basically LOSING money if he raises and I decide to call. If I bet small, and then call HIS bet---it'll probably cost me the same or a little bit more, than if I block bet and call his raise.
Sets up nicely for inducing bluffs as well.... happens all the time.
Ah well.....
****** OH YEAH... forgot to mention...... RAISE this hand [even from the BB]
Atleast to $3 Preflop... |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 2:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 2911 WPP: 107
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| gabe wrote: |
yea..newbies watch rounders and hear the line "if your hand is worth a call, then you should bet," but thats really not true |
I think this is more true in limit games, where you can't get c/r all-in or raised more than 1 bet. |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 2:22pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 28 Jul 2004
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| sunfunbunch wrote: | I'm not into that whole "block betting" thang.... maybe I need to learn.
If I'm not sure by the river about my hand and I'm out of position then I will just bet 1-2BB into the pot and let my opponent decide what to do. |
Isn't that a by definition a blocking bet? |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 2:52pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

Joined: 28 Jan 2005
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| gabe wrote: |
i think any line that is leading the river is a bad idea. the draw missed, let them bet! |
Why? You allow yourself to win money against an ace that would otherwise check behind. It's not like you know he was on a draw. |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 4:05pm Post subject:
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EAT BUGS

Joined: 07 Dec 2004
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| dsaxton wrote: | | gabe wrote: |
i think any line that is leading the river is a bad idea. the draw missed, let them bet! |
Why? You allow yourself to win money against an ace that would otherwise check behind. It's not like you know he was on a draw. |
this line looks more like a flushdraw to me than an ace |
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Posted: Fri, 27 Jan 2006, 4:47pm Post subject:
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Straight

Joined: 18 Aug 2005
Posts: 176 WPP: 57
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Ah yes...you got me GABE.
I guess what I was trying to say is that my blockings bets are VERY small =). |
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