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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 3:41am Post subject: AKs against tilting villian
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Full House
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Posts: 1201
WPP: 146
Location: Honolulu
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Alright here's the history between me and villiain. I recently just busted him for 30BB's when I CR'ed all in on the flop with 2nd pair after calling a preflop raise with 96s, figuring him to just be c-betting. Turns out he had top pair and I sucked out. This was 3-handed by the way. Then villian gets busted again for another 50BB's after CR'ing all in on a 88Q flop with air. He ran into trip 8's and that was that. So I know he is tilting like crazy, and reloads for 100BB's. Now this hand comes up. Looking back I should've raised more preflop, but I didn't expect so many callers. When he calls my flop bet, it could mean anything. Bottom pair, straight draw, flush draw, etc... I don't think he calls the CR AI with anything less than top pair here? Am I expecting too much to assume this? What do you think of my line here?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) FTR Hand History Converter
Button ($93)
SB ($104.75)
BB ($144.20)
Hero ($123.25)
MP ($70)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , K. SB posts a blind of $0.50. MP posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $4, MP (poster) calls $3, Button calls $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3.
Flop: ($16.50) 5, J, 9 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, MP folds, Button calls $10, BB folds.
Turn: ($36.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $20, Hero raises to $109 (all in) |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 12:31pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2004
Posts: 2911
WPP: 107
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The guy is tilting and you c/r semi-bluff him? I mean you have alot of outs, but ... don't you think he might call with A5 out of spite?
I guess the good think is that if he has a worse f/d he will call pwnt. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 1:13pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3089
WPP: 159
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| Absolutely hate this play against a tilter. Call the turn, then bet big if you river your flush, or check/call a bet if you hit an ace or king. Unless you know he's that rare type who steams by folding too much, this is really risky. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 1:43pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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WPP: 109
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| dalecooper wrote: | | Absolutely hate this play against a tilter. Call the turn, then bet big if you river your flush, or check/call a bet if you hit an ace or king. Unless you know he's that rare type who steams by folding too much, this is really risky. | |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 4:42pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 27 Dec 2005
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WPP: 127
Location: New Zealand
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| Don't like this play. Poor pot size management. You are playing a big pot without a big hand against someone who is tilting and may call down with as little as middle pair. It also smells like a bluff, what is it about the 2d that helped your hand so much. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 5:03pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 2521
WPP: 92
Location: Arlington, VA
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| Agree with everyone else. He's frustrated and is probably going to make very bad calls as he tries to win back what he's lost. Just try to make a hand against him and bet it strong. |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 6:58pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2004
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| Scarface wrote: | | It also smells like a bluff, what is it about the 2d that helped your hand so much. |
Well, it's not a club. But I agree with previous posters, very strange play |
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Posted: Tue, 24 Jan 2006, 9:06pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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Location: Honolulu
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Yeah, once the hand was over I realized it probably wasn't such a great push. Villian called his last $60 with QT and MHWG. I guess check/calling the turn was probably the right play, but what I was thinking at the time was that if villian had a draw, I was pretty much giving up the pot if I didn't hit, since I am sure villian would've pushed his last $40 on the river if we both missed our draws, and I would have no choice but to fold.
| Scarface wrote: | | Don't like this play. Poor pot size management. You are playing a big pot without a big hand against someone who is tilting and may call down with as little as middle pair. It also smells like a bluff, what is it about the 2d that helped your hand so much. |
I read him for being weak, and did not think he could call with less than top pair, which may have been a bad read on my part, as villian might have called with any pair since he was tilting so bad. Against a solid player I think this move is much more effective. Also, sure you can interpret a push like this as a bluff/semibluff, but against people that like to look you up constantly by calling your c-bets, I make this play all the time with top pair or an overpair or set. And the 2 of diamonds was irrelevant. I just thought he was weak and couldn't call the rest of his stack without a strong hand. |
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Posted: Wed, 25 Jan 2006, 11:45am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 22 Mar 2005
Posts: 469
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Location: U, S and A!!!
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| dalecooper wrote: | | Unless you know he's that rare type who steams by folding too much, this is really risky. |
LOL. The Passive Tilter. Good one, Dale. |
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Posted: Wed, 25 Jan 2006, 11:49am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
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Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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| make your odds on both streets shove if you hit the flush |
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Posted: Wed, 25 Jan 2006, 9:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
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you gotta get this allin on the flop, not on the turn.
when he bet 20 on the blank turn, id fold it. |
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Posted: Thu, 26 Jan 2006, 1:01am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 27 Oct 2004
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Location: Honolulu
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| SmackinYaUp wrote: | you gotta get this allin on the flop, not on the turn.
when he bet 20 on the blank turn, id fold it. |
What line would you take to try and get this all in on the flop? This is exactly what I was thinking as the hand played out, but I just couldn't come up with a good line for this. Weak bet flop and hope to get raised? Check hoping someone will bet? Just open push?
Also, would you really fold the turn against this type of villian who is likely to have absolutely any two here? |
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Posted: Thu, 26 Jan 2006, 8:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
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WPP: 159
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| alias2211 wrote: | | dalecooper wrote: | | Unless you know he's that rare type who steams by folding too much, this is really risky. |
LOL. The Passive Tilter. Good one, Dale. |
Actually I wasn't joking (for once). I have seen guys like this. A good friend of mine is like this actually. When he starts to feel beat up by the game he goes completely internal and scared - sees a monster under every bed, folds when he should definitely be calling or raising, etc. One time I saw this guy take a pretty unfortunate beat in a tourney (straight vs. higher straight); it totally messed him up, and a few hands later he had the second nuts and folded because he was afraid of quads.
(Intimate detail, just because it's interesting: he held 8x on a board of QQQ84. He and his opponent had checked all streets, and his opponent, who was somewhat short-stacked and obviously a loose/bad player, shoved all in on the river. My friend thinks it over, cries and moans about the tragedy that is his poker career, and folds - then tells us all what he had. The other guy shrugs and says "I just had the 4! I thought you didn't have anything." Terrible fold, and absolutely typical of this guy when he's tilted.)
But I don't think there's that many players like this, and certainly not many of them online. Most of those guys are too skeered to keep playing regularly in the rusty-swings-and-broken-slides playground of online poker. |
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Posted: Thu, 26 Jan 2006, 1:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jul 2004
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Oh, I *AM* a passive tilter. Usually after I am a Laggy tilter and get punished further..
It's like the 4 stages of Tilt:
o Denial
o Aggression
o Passivitiy/Weakness
o Acceptance |
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