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Posted: Fri, 16 Sep 2005, 8:38pm Post subject: Why you cant lay down TPTK in 6-max.. |
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Full House
Joined: 23 Mar 2005
Posts: 893
WPP: 130
Location: 25/50's f'in hard!
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The villain, a solid player for the 100 NL level, plays his hand exactly like he has a monster.. turns out it was more like a monsterlet  This shows why laying down TPTK in 6-max (espically at the 100$ buy-in level) is very very difficult..
***** Hand History for Game 2724663990 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, September 16, 23:32:49 EDT 2005
Table Table 55002 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: howie1111 ( $255.95 )
Seat 2: Kingfish__ ( $89.50 )
Seat 3: Dogboy714 ( $216.70 )
Seat 4: RasKyle2 ( $64.85 )
Seat 5: innitm8 ( $280.35 )
Dogboy714 posts small blind [$0.50].
RasKyle2 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kingfish__ [ Kh Ah ]
innitm8 folds.
howie1111 calls [$1].
Kingfish__ raises [$4].
Dogboy714 calls [$3.50].
RasKyle2 folds.
howie1111 calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kd, 6s, 4h ]
Dogboy714 checks.
howie1111 bets [$1].
Kingfish__ raises [$8].
Dogboy714 calls [$8].
howie1111 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
Dogboy714 checks.
Kingfish__ bets [$20].
Dogboy714 raises [$40].
Kingfish__ is all-In [$57.50]
Dogboy714: hmmm
Dogboy714 calls [$37.50].
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
Dogboy714 shows [ Ks, Qd ] a pair of kings.
Kingfish__ shows [ Kh, Ah ] a pair of kings.
Kingfish__ wins $183 from the main pot with a pair of kings with ace kicker. |
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Posted: Mon, 19 Sep 2005, 11:47am Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Dec 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 154
Location: B N L
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Do you regularly put your whole stack on the line on turn with TPTK? If you do, is it profitable?
I get extremely wary when someone minraises the turn like that - your right it does spell monster. Maybe I'm playing weaktight, but I dont like to get allin here. |
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Posted: Mon, 19 Sep 2005, 12:10pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 2968
WPP: 160
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| I think this is a real grey area. You may be slightly +EV by pushing here but it's not clear-cut by any means. It helps that in this case the turn card was a meaningless one (almost no chance it helped him), but he could very easily be sitting on a set of sixes or fours with the line he laid down here. Ordinarily, with that series of bets and a scarier board, I'm probably folding the turn unless I have a read telling me a good reason not to. If I know a guy is pretty aggressive I'd be more likely to push. |
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Posted: Mon, 19 Sep 2005, 12:11pm Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 7519
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Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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Everyone gotta love this play!
My only question is that with a 4xbbs raise infront of me and i have KQ is the play to put it down preflop? That might just be me but i'd be worried about being dominated and hitting top pair onlt to be behind. I love spinoli's aggro play and i'd push there with AK too i think i just dont understand KQ calling the push and i have doubts over calling preflop when it is raised in front of me if i dont at least have suited KQ to give more options
WOuld you make the opps play here spinoli under the circumstances? |
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Posted: Mon, 19 Sep 2005, 5:50pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 944
WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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| Just don't get in the habit of doing it alot, there are still situation in 1000nl (even full ring) where i will push my entire stack in w/ tptk, but you have to choose them well. |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Sep 2005, 1:42pm Post subject: |
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 28 Jan 2005
Posts: 3037
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It's rare for an opponent to get raised on the flop while holding TP, then smooth call and check raise you on 4th street without improvement and nothing to represent. I see it, but not often. Usually if they think their hand is good they'll bet right out into you on the turn with a coup bet, or re-raise you on the flop.
Making a habit of this is -EV against solid players. |
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Posted: Fri, 23 Sep 2005, 3:34pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 22 Jan 2005
Posts: 944
WPP: 117
Location: Vancouver
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| Rondavu wrote: |
Making a habit of this is -EV against solid players. |
There aren't many solid players at 200nl 6max. |
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Posted: Mon, 26 Sep 2005, 7:07am Post subject: |
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Straight Flush
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
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Location: Petra Marklund FTW ^^^^
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Rondavu wrote:
Making a habit of this is -EV against solid players.
There aren't many solid players at 200nl 6max.
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Stop tempting me to move up before im 'rolled
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Posted: Sat, 01 Oct 2005, 7:17pm Post subject: |
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Full House
Joined: 12 Dec 2004
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| Miffed22001 wrote: | | Quote: |
Rondavu wrote:
Making a habit of this is -EV against solid players.
There aren't many solid players at 200nl 6max.
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Stop tempting me to move up before im 'rolled
| game selection is game selection dude, whether it's 50-100 NL or .05-.10 NL, there are fish in all of them from time to time. |
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