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Posted: Sat, 22 Nov 2008, 9:24am Post subject:
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Eats babies
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
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WPP: 109
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| Things just got interesting. |
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Posted: Sat, 22 Nov 2008, 11:04am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3310
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| bode wrote: | | HEM says 64%, PT3 says 73%, which definitely seems more accurate |
but PT3 OVER-estimates... so the HEM one is actually more accurate...
thizzSantaCruz should get some kind of award for this realization! |
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Posted: Sat, 22 Nov 2008, 4:40pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 12 Jan 2006
Posts: 822
WPP: 76
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Now every time someone posts a hand and says "villain folds to xx% of 3bets," we will have to ask "PT3 or HEM?"
And i'm sure this isn't the only stat that's different between the two programs. |
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Posted: Sat, 22 Nov 2008, 11:34pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Oct 2006
Posts: 894
WPP: 109
Location: Santa Cruz
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| griffey24 wrote: | | bode wrote: | | HEM says 64%, PT3 says 73%, which definitely seems more accurate |
but PT3 OVER-estimates... so the HEM one is actually more accurate...
thizzSantaCruz should get some kind of award for this realization! |
ha im down. |
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Posted: Sat, 22 Nov 2008, 11:42pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Oct 2006
Posts: 1623
WPP: 101
Location: San Francisco, CA
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| I have both and from what I remember this isn't the only stat they calculate differently. Too bad I forget what they are but pretty sure its a few. |
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Posted: Sun, 23 Nov 2008, 8:45pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 4139
WPP: 63
Location: slow motion
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| griffey24 wrote: | | bode wrote: | | HEM says 64%, PT3 says 73%, which definitely seems more accurate |
but PT3 OVER-estimates... so the HEM one is actually more accurate...
thizzSantaCruz should get some kind of award for this realization! |
hmm, it just seems like i fold to way more than 64% of 3bets, but i guess not |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 10:37pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 393
WPP: 72
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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BUMP.
I Recently moved up to 100nl and there is def alot more 3 betting there then at 50nl. My fold to 3bet% is 81% (pt3). My last session i think i got 3bet 15 times, and i folded like 13. Thats like 40bbs almost. I dont see how folding this much to 3bets can be profitable. Should i be 4 betting more..or wat. I think its a leak but im not sure. HALP. |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 11:39pm Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 2186
WPP: 107
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| AnTman_69 wrote: | BUMP.
I Recently moved up to 100nl and there is def alot more 3 betting there then at 50nl. My fold to 3bet% is 81% (pt3). My last session i think i got 3bet 15 times, and i folded like 13. Thats like 40bbs almost. I dont see how folding this much to 3bets can be profitable. Should i be 4 betting more..or wat. I think its a leak but im not sure. HALP. |
It depends, is it the same guy or is it just pretty much spread out equally amongst the guys at the table. What could be happening is people are now 3-betting you with a wider range for value than you are used to. In which case a 4-bet bluff might not be the best plan as they'll be willing to get it in lighter.
Keep in mind, one failed 4-bet bluff is nearly 40bb itself.
So don't do it because you're at 100NL, do it because a certain player could be getting carried away. |
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Posted: Mon, 05 Jan 2009, 11:50pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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i think folding to 3bets 75%+ is wayyy too high "in general" vs solid players at 400nl+. Pretty much a sure way to get assraped by good regs.
although i agree at 200nl and lower, 75% is quite reasonable for the reasons ISF mentioned before. |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 4:55pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
Posts: 3068
WPP: 71
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Mines 78% but i use PT3...
Why would it be off? |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 5:04pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 29 Oct 2007
Posts: 425
WPP: 68
Location: Rotterdam, Holland
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 5:20pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 4139
WPP: 63
Location: slow motion
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| Massimo wrote: | Mines 78% but i use PT3...
Why would it be off? |
ryan pointed it out earlier in the thread, but PT3 calculates it any time you fold to a 3bet, whether you were the original raiser or not while HEM calculates it only the times that you were the raiser and got 3bet, which obv makes more sense. |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 5:24pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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if thats true PT3 is retarded, and ISF/MAX can finally lower those 75%+ nonsense to 65 which makes alot more sense  |
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Posted: Tue, 06 Jan 2009, 11:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 3558
WPP: 84
Location: right here
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| Galapogos wrote: | | Keep in mind, one failed 4-bet bluff is nearly 40bb itself. |
Wat? You should never 4bet a standard 3bet to more than 30bb, my standard is less than that even. If you're 4-betting to 40bb then you're getting 2.33:1 to call a shove and should always call.
| Alexos wrote: | | if thats true PT3 is retarded, and ISF/MAX can finally lower those 75%+ nonsense to 65 which makes alot more sense |
I believe thizz that PT3 is retarded in its 3bet calculation method and that was the source of so much confusion itt. |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 5:21am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 04 Jul 2006
Posts: 1310
WPP: 129
Location: In the Matrix
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| Alexos wrote: | | if thats true PT3 is retarded, and ISF/MAX can finally lower those 75%+ nonsense to 65 which makes alot more sense |
Alexos, you mean lowering to 65% PT3 way (which would be to ~75% HEM way), right? |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 6:57am Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
Posts: 2186
WPP: 107
Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| zook wrote: | | Galapogos wrote: | | Keep in mind, one failed 4-bet bluff is nearly 40bb itself. |
Wat? You should never 4bet a standard 3bet to more than 30bb, my standard is less than that even. If you're 4-betting to 40bb then you're getting 2.33:1 to call a shove and should always call. |
I was just making a point. |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 11:05am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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| jimmy44 wrote: | | Alexos wrote: | | if thats true PT3 is retarded, and ISF/MAX can finally lower those 75%+ nonsense to 65 which makes alot more sense |
Alexos, you mean lowering to 65% PT3 way (which would be to ~75% HEM way), right? |
isnt it the other way around, 65% in HEM means 75% in Pt3? |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 11:07am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Mar 2006
Posts: 3558
WPP: 84
Location: right here
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| Alexos wrote: | | jimmy44 wrote: | | Alexos wrote: | | if thats true PT3 is retarded, and ISF/MAX can finally lower those 75%+ nonsense to 65 which makes alot more sense |
Alexos, you mean lowering to 65% PT3 way (which would be to ~75% HEM way), right? |
isnt it the other way around, 65% in HEM means 75% in Pt3? |
yes |
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 11:19am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 04 Jul 2006
Posts: 1310
WPP: 129
Location: In the Matrix
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Posted: Wed, 07 Jan 2009, 11:58am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
Posts: 6596
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Posted: Thu, 08 Jan 2009, 6:14am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 23 Nov 2008
Posts: 348
WPP: 45
Location: not anymore
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| i fold around 70-ish%. Works for me. |
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Posted: Thu, 08 Jan 2009, 4:24pm Post subject:
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Eats babies
Joined: 28 Feb 2006
Posts: 3894
WPP: 109
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | Okay 65% HEM 75% PT3 | Great because I just can't get much lower than 65% because these guys are just plain bad at 3betting way too much from the blinds when I know I am miles ahead and want to see flops. |
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