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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 9:29am Post subject: Turn line?
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Full House
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Posts: 685
WPP: 111
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Villain 12/6/2.0 over 80 hands. First pot we've played. My bet sizing sucks, I realize that.. but I was trying to not be committed should he shove the turn.. instead he lays me 3 to 1 and I have a pair and 9 outs to the nuts. Ship turn or just call? His play me looked like a poorly played AK, KQ, KJ, set, or some kind of combo draw.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
saw flop
UTG+1 ($28.60)
MP1 ($52.30)
MP2 ($26.05)
MP3 ($44)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Button ($26.80)
SB ($25.10)
BB ($29.50)
UTG ($25)
Preflop: Hero is CO with A , 5
5 folds, Hero bets $1, Button calls $1, 2 folds
Flop: ($2.35) 6 , K, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.10, Button calls $1.10
Turn: ($4.55) J (2 players)
Hero bets $2.15, Button raises to $5.50, Hero ?
This is my guess on a pokerstove. I added AA/KK because a lot of peeps slowplay big pairs at 25NL.
Board: 6d Kc 5d Jc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.424% 49.42% 00.00% 1631 0.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 50.576% 50.58% 00.00% 1669 0.00 { KK+, JJ, 66-55, AKs, KJs+, 87s, 43s, AKo, KJo+, 87o, 43o } |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 9:45am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 4170
WPP: 77
Location: Dublin
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| you can take out all his draw type hands. check you range vs his made hands then check you equity to hit |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 11:24am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Posts: 685
WPP: 111
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| Da GOAT wrote: | | you can take out all his draw type hands. check you range vs his made hands then check you equity to hit |
Board: 6d Kc 5h Jc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.586% 26.59% 00.00% 503 0.00 { Ac5c }
Hand 1: 73.414% 73.41% 00.00% 1389 0.00 { KK+, JJ, 66-55, AKs, KJs+, AKo, KJo+ }
So this is a clear fold since we don't know if he'll stack with all of these hands should the flush complete? And there is very little FE against that strong of a range so I can't shove?
Man I suck at math but it looks like folding is right unless I am missing something.
Thanks goat. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 11:27am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Location: Dublin
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no thats looks solid. id very much doubt villian will get aggro on turn even with the very best combo draws.
sure its possible he could be running a pure bluff like 10% of the time but you still gotta fold even if he bluffs such a %. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 12:06pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Posts: 685
WPP: 111
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| Da GOAT wrote: | no thats looks solid. id very much doubt villian will get aggro on turn even with the very best combo draws.
sure its possible he could be running a pure bluff like 10% of the time but you still gotta fold even if he bluffs such a %. |
Any idea how much equity would make continuing on the turn profitable vs a strong villain range? |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 12:24pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 4170
WPP: 77
Location: Dublin
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| wots your equity to hit a flush. thats wot u need to break even, any better than that is great. you can accept worse odds slightly if you think you can get a modest bet from him on river. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 4:55pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 290
WPP: 44
Location: stealing blinds from UTG
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| Am I missing something? Hero has enough pot odds to draw. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 5:13pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 21 Mar 2008
Posts: 675
WPP: 130
Location: Da Fiddy Ennels Sir.
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| Yeah surely this is an easy call given pot odds + implied odds. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 5:16pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Posts: 685
WPP: 111
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| Against a strong range that you think will call a river bet, its a call I think. But if he won't pay off a flush, its 3-1.. we need 4-1 right? |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 5:19pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 148
WPP: 75
Location: Michigan
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| A nit raising on the turn means atleast JK imo. You have 3:1 direct odds and he is probably betting any river. What I'm not sure of is when you hit should you be shoving or check-raising. I think a c/r is better because his range is so strong and he's probably firing the river. Also, it's a backdoor FD so it is a bit more disguised. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 5:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 3549
WPP: 101
Location: The Grind
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8 outs to the nuts*
For everyone who is like omfg this is the easiest call in the history of shit that's easy to call I think you're likely to be over-estimating our implied odds and under-estimating our reverse implied odds. I think it's somewhat marginal but I still call because I never make bad folds. |
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Posted: Mon, 02 Nov 2009, 6:25pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 12 Aug 2008
Posts: 290
WPP: 44
Location: stealing blinds from UTG
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| Why are you saying we have 3:1 direct odds? Its 4.28:1. Still not enough for heros NUT outs which are 8 as Spoon said, but still its a call. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Nov 2009, 10:11pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 15 Jul 2008
Posts: 148
WPP: 75
Location: Michigan
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| settecba wrote: | | Why are you saying we have 3:1 direct odds? Its 4.28:1. Still not enough for heros NUT outs which are 8 as Spoon said, but still its a call. | 3.64:1 direct odds? |
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