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Posted: Sat, 28 Jun 2008, 4:43pm Post subject: Trying to go from a nit to a slighty loose TAG (PT stats)
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Two Pair
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 32
WPP: 95
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Hello everyone. I used to be quite a nit and played NL10 and NL25 6max with stats of 18/14 ( with a winrate of almost 10PTBB). Now I've tried to loosen up my game to something like 20/18. The pictures below are from a session I had where I tried this new style. Can you comment on my stats and give me some tips? The above picture is where I ran 18/14. The problem is my total agression factor which is usually huge ( around 7.0 over sample of 6,5K). Is this bad? Should I try to make it lower and how should I do it? I rarely call on the flop, and usually raise or fold.
Is this good or should I be trying something different. Should I go back playing nitty poker? How could I improve my game?
(The middle pic includes some fullstats, so the stats aren't accurate. I think I ran a bit looser. More like 24/20 or so) |
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Posted: Sat, 28 Jun 2008, 7:17pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
Posts: 1137
WPP: 147
Location: Duluth, MN
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you seem plently aggressive over your "nitty" stats on the flop/turn. on the river you might not be value betting light or not bluffing often. your river aggression may be fine for the games you play in (a lower river AF would make sense if you were playing against players who have a high bluffing frequency on the river, for example)
your money WSF (won when seeing a flop) is nice at 41%. also your winrate over 30k hands is excellent!
id stick with your 18/14 game until the results aren't there anymore (this style will probably work fine for several limits higher than 25NL). myself and the majority of players on this site play a very similar preflop style (22/19 are my stats), and i have no problem beating 200NL. |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 4:30am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 32
WPP: 95
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So I should go back and nitty it up. I will probably do that because it's easier to play that way postflop, bacause I will generally have a better hand than my opponents. What do you think of the position stats from my slightly laggy session? Is the button VPIP ok?
Thanks for the support. Just tell me if you have anymore tips. I might try to river bluff more,and thin value bet. This might be a leak. Do you think I'm too aggressive postflop? |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 7:39am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 172
WPP: 69
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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| I dont think ur first stats are nitty at all. Continue to play like the 1st stats picture...and you'll own most of the noobs around. |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 7:59am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1384
WPP: 117
Location: value towning myself
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| sample size on the second one is retardedly small, so idk why you really posted it. but wtf are you talking about nit? is 18/14.5/5.5 a nit to you? i think you should should stick with what you are doing, because while the sample size is small, you are still crushing the micro games. |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 9:19am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 03 Jul 2007
Posts: 49
WPP: 131
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| "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Enough said |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 2:57pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 32
WPP: 95
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thanks gueys. I'll keep my old game going.
My goal is to reach NL50 as soon as possible. |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 3:35pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1384
WPP: 117
Location: value towning myself
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| with those winrates it shouldnt be too much longer. |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 4:02pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 384
WPP: 90
Location: On Tony Romo's nuts
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I think you are losing value if you are never calling on the flop and this will not be a winning style at 50nl. I know this because it was the way I played when I moved up. You have to start learning to play post flop poker.
I also got real bluff happy though, so maybe it will work out better for you. |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 5:16pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 32
WPP: 95
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| Quote: | | I think you are losing value if you are never calling on the flop and this will not be a winning style at 50nl. I know this because it was the way I played when I moved up. You have to start learning to play post flop poker. |
Well said. I feel this is a serious leak for me. I think I'm pretty decent at reading hands and playing postflop, but I feel like something is missing and I'm playing kind of "automatic" poker. Do you have any advice on this? Can you give me an example of where calling on the flop is the best move?
Here is one that I just made up.
I know if the flop is AT5 rainbow and villain donk and I have AQ, it's a pretty good place to call. What is the flop is two tone (FD flop)? Should I then protect my hand from the draw? |
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Posted: Sun, 29 Jun 2008, 9:26pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
WPP: 82
Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Focus more on your opponents and less on pre-flop charts. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 2:56am Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 05 Jan 2008
Posts: 32
WPP: 95
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Do you mean play less tables and try to get more reads?
I must admit that I'm not very good at making very good reads, except the very obvious ones. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 12:54pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 02 Jan 2006
Posts: 997
WPP: 80
Location: IN UR BOX HAXXING UR FILEZ
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| Play 4 tables for a while. I used to multitable with 12 and was a robot. I lost big on a bunch of marginal hands and was shit at hand reading in general. After playing 4 tables for about 10k hands, I'm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than I was before. Cut it down and focus on marginal/small pots, because that's where the real money is. |
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