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Posted: Tue, 30 Dec 2008, 9:46pm Post subject: TPTK stuff
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Flush
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 391
WPP: 72
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Vill is 18/15/3 80 or so hands. Has not 3 bet yet. Have not seen nething interesting from him as yet. Have a feeling he's on the nitty tight side.
So hows my line so far? He could be doing this with a draw, but he would never double with a draw me thinks.
I think i should have folded flop, but as played this turn is a call rite?
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Hero ($70.40)
UTG+1 TheLonelyOne ($75.30)
CO jkennedy500 ($41.55)
BTN Jubes19 ($65.75)
SB VIVAMTL ($17.45)
BB Moose30104 ($47.35)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG  
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Jubes19 calls $2, 2 folds
Flop:    ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Jubes19 raises to $7.50, Hero calls $4.50
Turn:  ($19.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Jubes19 bets $14, Hero .. |
Last edited by AnTman_69 on Tue, 30 Dec 2008, 10:39pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Tue, 30 Dec 2008, 10:03pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3107
WPP: 160
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| Flop call is fine mostly because he's pricing you in, also because he just occasionally has something stupid and ends up going for a cheap showdown after you don't fold to his weenie-raise. Turn is an obvious call with a minimum of 8 clean outs and him probably heading for "I will stack off" territory. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 12:04am Post subject:
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2009
Joined: 16 Feb 2007
Posts: 1656
WPP: 64
Location: bluffing scare cards
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| Flop is fine. Your hand is essentially a bluff catcher now but you have tons of suckout odds so I calls. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 12:20am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 1826
WPP: 67
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| It's possible you're freerolling against AQ. I think he would play this the same way with AQ even KQ because there are few Qs in your UTG range. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 1:48am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 391
WPP: 72
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Ok i called. But whats our plan for the blank river? pot odds to good?
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG Hero ($70.40)
UTG+1 TheLonelyOne ($75.30)
CO jkennedy500 ($41.55)
BTN Jubes19 ($65.75)
SB VIVAMTL ($17.45)
BB Moose30104 ($47.35)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Jubes19 calls $2, 2 folds
Flop: ($4.75, 2 players)
Hero bets $3, Jubes19 raises to $7.50, Hero calls $4.50
Turn: ($19.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Jubes19 bets $14, Hero calls $14
River:  ($47.75, 2 players)
Hero checks, Jubes19 bets $28.50, Hero .. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 1:55am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 1826
WPP: 67
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| That sucks. I'd probably always call but I suck. He's clearly sure he has the best hand so I guess it's Ts full or quads. Calling hoping to chop sucks so meh. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 2:00am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 Dec 2007
Posts: 391
WPP: 72
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Is this range decent? Im assuming that he will occasionally bluf with KJs. His 3 bet percentage is zero atm...so i put qq+ in there.
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
32 games 0.005 secs 6,400 games/sec
Board: Ts 7c Qs 2c 7d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.875% 37.50% 09.38% 12 3.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 53.125% 43.75% 09.38% 14 3.00 { QQ+, TT, 77, AQs, KJs+, AQo, KQo } |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 2:22am Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
Posts: 2979
WPP: 43
Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| meh i guess call turn/fold river on the daily |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 7:24am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
Posts: 1336
WPP: 83
Location: Deventer
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I can't stand to not call this river. That 7 is great.
edit: although it's interesting that the flop 7 isn't of spades, so stuff like 87s, 97s, 76s are possible. I still call though. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 10:14am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 28 Oct 2008
Posts: 186
WPP: 46
Location: England
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 11:07am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
Posts: 2759
WPP: 83
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Antman you gotta be careful with adding a random hand you beat to villain's range in pokerstove, especially if it's an unsuited one because it is going to dominate the calculation as an unsuited, non-pp hand has many combinations. I wish you could add weighing and say 'very unlikely' but can't do that.
Compare, in the second one I just added KQo:
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Board: Ts 7c Qs 2d 7d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 24.903% 19.89% 05.02% 166324 41952.50 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 75.097% 70.09% 05.02% 586132 41954.50 { QQ+, TT, 77, AQs, KJs }
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Board: Ts 7c Qs 2d 7d
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.308% 38.46% 03.85% 10 1.00 { AcQc }
Hand 1: 57.692% 53.85% 03.85% 14 1.00 { QQ+, TT, 77, AQs, KJs, KQo } |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 11:33am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3107
WPP: 160
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| I fold that river all the time. I guess I should be thinking more carefully about ranges but every time that situation comes up, my gut says "this guy isn't making three obvious value bets/raises with anything worse than what I have, so what am I hoping for here - a split?" |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 11:40am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
Posts: 7006
WPP: 71
Location: Pwnsylvania
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| call and jam a black river card? |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 1:46pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Mar 2006
Posts: 1713
WPP: 58
Location: UK
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 1:50pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 29 Dec 2007
Posts: 209
WPP: 57
Location: Toronto
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A 18/15/3 80 who hasn't 3bet, i see his range like this on the flop:
77,TT,QQ,QT,KsJs, AQ. Most of his range here crushes us anyway.
I don't see a player like this raising with KQ here, and continuing 3 streets with strong betting. You said you haven't seen much from him, so I can't see him bluffing a missed draw like this. Him betting the turn with strength leads me to believe its 77,TT,QQ. I really think you're in value town on the river... fold. Could anyone warrent a fold on the turn? I am kinda of a nit too... |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 2:51pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 27 Sep 2004
Posts: 3107
WPP: 160
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| sweetlemon69 wrote: | | Could anyone warrent a fold on the turn? I am kinda of a nit too... |
Not with 8 outs to the stone cold nuts and a guy who will pay off a smallish value bet when you hit - even if he grits his teeth during and calls you a donk after. On top of that there's a slim chance we're still ahead or splitting, and in those cases you'll probably get a cheap or free showdown after the turn call. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 9:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 09 Aug 2005
Posts: 1826
WPP: 67
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | | call and jam a black river card? |
I think this is brilliant, btw. Bluffing outs gives us plenty of equity on the turn. |
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Posted: Wed, 31 Dec 2008, 9:40pm Post subject:
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Strike 3
Joined: 05 Jan 2005
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WPP: 52
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I fold the river because it takes real balls to triple barrel a spade draw.
I mean I'm happy to check the AQ behind and he shouldn't expect you to call with KQ |
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