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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 4:47pm Post subject: Top pair on flop facing AI - how do I play this
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 May 2008
Posts: 108
WPP: 134
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Looking back at this I think I overbet the flop
***** Hand History for Game 7182775017 *****
30/60 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (STT Tournament 40849752) - Mon Jun 30 16:01:42 EDT 2008
Table Turbo 1385751 (Real Money) -- Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: elvam (1600)
Seat 2: rosemth (2180)
Seat 3: ForMyBPL (2280)
Seat 4: pochy976 (1820)
Seat 5: bDule (1760)
Seat 6: efcba (6000)
Seat 7: hero (1930)
Seat 8: cecilija78 (2430)
elvam posts small blind (30)
rosemth posts big blind (60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Qc, Ks ]
ForMyBPL folds
pochy976 calls (60)
bDule calls (60)
efcba calls (60)
hero raises (420) to 420
cecilija78 folds
elvam folds
rosemth folds
pochy976 calls (360)
bDule folds
efcba calls (360)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ts, Qh, Tc ]
pochy976 checks
efcba checks
hero bets (780)
pochy976 folds
efcba raises (1560) to 1560
Hero???????? |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 5:40pm Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS
Joined: 22 Nov 2005
Posts: 4380
WPP: 117
Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
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| You raised waaaaaay too much preflop. 7x is a lot even with 3 limpers. I'd actually probably just fold it preflop and move on to the next table. What's the buy-in? I don't see how you can fold now. |
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Posted: Mon, 30 Jun 2008, 6:47pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 07 Jul 2005
Posts: 9476
WPP: 127
Location: Sydney
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I would not raise this preflop, I would probably just fold it with three limpers in front. I'd limp KQs however. In this spot, fold > limp >>>>> raise IMO. The reason not to raise here is that KQo is a marginal hand multiway and many players will just flat call with AQ and AK meaning you can lose your whole stack with the second best hand on a K or Q high flop.
As played preflop, you're getting your chips in on this flop regardless of what happens. There are 1410 chips in the pot when it gets to you and you have 1510 behind.
After your 780 bet you cannot ever fold here because a) you just put in like 60% of your stack and b) you're getting 4:1 pot odds on the call and c) you do have two pair... |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 10:08am Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 17 May 2008
Posts: 108
WPP: 134
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This is a $1 SNG at party. The limpers ahead of me could have any sort of crap.
KQo is not a great hand but I dont understand why I should be folding here from the CO with no raises in front of me.
With a standard raise being 4xbb + 1bb per limper, what is the max I should raise as a % of my stack preflop. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jul 2008, 10:47am Post subject:
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Season VII
Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Posts: 2913
WPP: 105
Location: HotLanta
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| Biglines wrote: | This is a $1 SNG at party. The limpers ahead of me could have any sort of crap.
KQo is not a great hand but I dont understand why I should be folding here from the CO with no raises in front of me. |
You are folding because this isn't a cash game where you can top off your chips every time your stack drops a bit. In a tournament you should be either conserving chips or gathering them (with strong hands). Playing these sorts of hands early doesn't accomplish #2 enough to make it worthwhile.
You also fold because hands like KQo are extremely hard to play against a bunch of limpers. If the flop comes Q98 two toned how many chips are you going to invest before you figure out if you are ahead or behind here?
FWIW, one thing that I learned a long time ago is that when I play a hand early in a tournament it should either be strong enough to raise with or I better have a post flop plan (i.e. playing for set value, flush/str8, etc.). That is why Tai mentioned that he would fold KQo yet limp with KQs. The possiblity of a flush with the suited hand makes it strong enough to play however you STILL need to go into that hand not thinking TPGK is worth felting. |
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