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Posted: Sun, 27 Feb 2005, 12:29pm Post subject: This is why I don't Love Omaha
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High Card
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 14
WPP: 264
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The whole table was quite passive. MonkeyEyes was playing loose passive otherwise, but against me he would go bonkers. And catch everything on the river. I wish I'd won even one big pot against him, but no...
> Hero posted small blind ($0.25)
> vinho69 posted big blind ($0.50)
> Game # 191,748,xxx starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
Hero    
MonkeyEyes    
> daredevil8 called for $0.50
> diff-rent folded
> lassemassa called for $0.50
diff-rent> nh
> MonkeyEyes called for $0.50
> Hero raised for $2.50
> vinho69 called for $2.25
> daredevil8 folded
> lassemassa called for $2.25
> MonkeyEyes called for $2.25
> Dealing the Flop(   )
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> Hero bet for $11.50
> vinho69 folded
> lassemassa folded
diff-rent> still no aces
> MonkeyEyes went all-in for $39.37
Hero> 58K flop, I have 5679, "few outs" again MonkeyEyes
> Hero, you have 10 seconds to respond
Hero> any 6, 7, 9...
> Hero went all-in for $5.08
> Extra chips returned to MonkeyEyes, $22.79
> Dealing the turn( )
> Dealing the river( )
> MonkeyEyes shows Three of a Kind, Queens
()
> MonkeyEyes wins $42.46 with Three of a Kind, Queens
> Hero posted small blind ($0.25)
> vinho69 posted big blind ($0.50)
> Game # 191,758,xxx starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
Hero   
MonkeyEyes  
diff-rent> Ladbrokes u ****
daredevil8> i contribute a lot
Hero> flopped it again monkey
> daredevil8 called for $0.50
> diff-rent folded
MonkeyEyes> you hero
> lassemassa called for $0.50
> MonkeyEyes called for $0.50
> Hero called for $0.25
> vinho69 checked
> Dealing the Flop(  )
diff-rent> do u think bots on this site?
> Hero checked
> vinho69 checked
> daredevil8 checked
> lassemassa checked
> MonkeyEyes bet for $2.50
> Hero called for $2.50
daredevil8> no they don't need it
diff-rent> some players always raise but say nothing
> vinho69 folded
> daredevil8 called for $2.50
> lassemassa folded
> Dealing the turn( )
> Hero bet for $10
> daredevil8 folded
diff-rent> so i just leave the table
> MonkeyEyes went all-in for $21.12
Hero> nut straight
> Hero called for $11.12
> Dealing the river( )
> MonkeyEyes shows a Straight, Six high
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> Hero shows a Straight, Five high
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> MonkeyEyes wins $49.64 with a Straight, Six high
> vinho69 posted small blind ($0.25)
> daredevil8 posted big blind ($0.50)
> Game # 191,759,xxx starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
MonkeyEyes> ha ha
> Game # 191,793,xxx starting.
> Dealing Hole Cards
Hero   
MonkeyEyes   
> MonkeyEyes raised for $1
> Hero raised for $1.50
> vinho69 folded
daredevil8> foleded 9high st8
> daredevil8 called for $1.50
> LuvKurt called for $1.25
> Vexx folded
> MonkeyEyes called for $0.50
> Dealing the Flop(  )
> LuvKurt checked
> MonkeyEyes checked
> Hero bet for $6.50
> daredevil8 folded
> LuvKurt folded
> MonkeyEyes called for $6.50
> Dealing the turn( )
> MonkeyEyes checked
> Hero bet for $19.50
> MonkeyEyes went all-in for $22.34
Hero> I had nut flush.
daredevil8> woooooow
Hero> now I have the nut straight, TJQ
> Hero called for $2.84
> Dealing the river()
> MonkeyEyes shows a Flush, Hearts
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> Hero shows a Straight, Ace high
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> MonkeyEyes wins $61.18 with a Flush, Hearts
vinho69> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
MonkeyEyes> kiss my face
> Dealing Hole Cards
Hero 
MonkeyEyes 
> Dealing the Flop( )
> MonkeyEyes bets $2.50
> Hero calls for $2.50
> vinho69 calls for $2.50
> LuvKurt folds
> Vexx folds
> Dealing the turn()
> vinho69 checks
> MonkeyEyes bets $5.00
> Hero raises for $25.00
> vinho69 folds
> MonkeyEyes calls for $20.00
> Dealing the river()
> MonkeyEyes went all-in for $58.03
> Hero went all-in for $17.62
> MonkeyEyes wins $93.24 Straight |
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Posted: Sun, 27 Feb 2005, 4:18pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 149
WPP: 115
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Hand 1
Not a hand I would raise pre-flop with. The flop bet was a bit aggressive, while at the same time your opponents all-in was mind boggling.
Hand 2
Fold pre-flop
Hand 3
Check the flop, bet hard on the turn blank. River was unfortunate
Hand 4
Fold pre-flop
Any J, 6, or heart would beat you on the river, giving your opponent 17 good, but not made outs - his odds were correct to call you. Why go all in on the river; your straight was very vulnerable?
All in all, tough breaks, in the long run, players like that will pay you off. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Feb 2005, 3:25am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 14
WPP: 264
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| Yeldud wrote: | Hand 2
Fold pre-flop |
Umm fold from small blind when nobody raises? I flopped 6 out draw for nuts and hit on the turn card...
Otherwise thanks for the comments. |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Feb 2005, 8:28am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 21 Dec 2004
Posts: 149
WPP: 115
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| raza wrote: | | Yeldud wrote: | Hand 2
Fold pre-flop |
Umm fold from small blind when nobody raises? I flopped 6 out draw for nuts and hit on the turn card...
Otherwise thanks for the comments. |
I did not realize you were small blind, but yes, I still let this go from small blind into an unraised pot. The hand was too uncordinated for my liking - even from the SB, especially since you had the worst position.
6 outs is nothing in Omaha. You actually hit a suckers straight on the turn. With the 10 and A, any paint card on the river opens up the possibility of a higher straight. Ace low straights are very weak in Omaha when there is a 10 or higher on the board. Yes you had the nuts on the turn, but there were too many scare cards in the deck that you were drawing dead to.
Of course, your opponent has demonstrated their ability to bluff and be wild, which is why you needed position on him, which you did not have in hand 2.
Does this help any? |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Feb 2005, 12:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 3580
WPP: 79
Location: emo-kid
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these are all folds except for hand 3.
stay away from all middle cards. more often than not you'll make the bastard side of the straight.
hand 3 well played. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Mar 2005, 11:03pm Post subject:
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Posted: Wed, 09 Mar 2005, 3:03am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 14
WPP: 264
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Thanks for the great link. Though all Annie's articles seem to be about Omaha 8-or-better, ie. hi/low. All my hand reviews were from Omaha high.
I know I must review my play, position wise especially, but I still feel I had the better of it. I isolated the fish, got my chips in when I was leading. While I know the game is far from over on the turn card, I still feel I had a good read on this guy and made the right choices - except on the last hand - I admit I was getting bit frustrated there. |
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Posted: Thu, 10 Mar 2005, 11:13am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 10 Mar 2005
Posts: 8
WPP: 270
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| raza, one could say, with those holecards you played, you got as lucky on flop and turn, as you got unlucky at river. I doubt the hands you displayed were general hands, but hands that someone draw out on you... I bet you have drawn out on others aswell, so it should even out... If you feel people are drawing out on you too often, try playing starting hands with multiway potential... hands that can make a straight, and when it gets counterfeited, you get a better straight... or a flush, or a full house... then there is no way for you to lose the big pots... And when hitting vulnerable hands on flop, be prepaired to fold... |
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Posted: Fri, 11 Mar 2005, 4:07am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 15 Dec 2004
Posts: 14
WPP: 264
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| pete63 wrote: | | raza, one could say, with those holecards you played, you got as lucky on flop and turn |
But isn't that the way you are supposed to play pot limit omaha. See cheap flops, bet when you hit. Bail if you don't. If I only play AAKQ hands and wait for them to flop nicely, I'll be playing 1 hand per hour or something. In a loose passive table you can easily see more flops and bet when you hit nuts or are drawing to nuts with 10+ outs.
| pete63 wrote: | | I bet you have drawn out on others aswell, so it should even out... |
If I draw, I make damn sure I have outs to justify it, I don't just call with a hunch or while simply tilting (which would seem . But I get called plenty of times with 4 or less outs and get sucked out. I wish Poker Tracker could track Prima automaticly and just make a comparison to river suckouts you've received and delivired.  |
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Posted: Fri, 11 Mar 2005, 2:22pm Post subject:
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| raza wrote: |
But isn't that the way you are supposed to play pot limit omaha. See cheap flops, bet when you hit. Bail if you don't. If I only play AAKQ hands and wait for them to flop nicely, I'll be playing 1 hand per hour or something. In a loose passive table you can easily see more flops and bet when you hit nuts or are drawing to nuts with 10+ outs.
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Apparently you aren't listening. This is NOT how you play PL omaha. In NL holdem you don't just "see cheap flops and bail" do you? No, you don't. |
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