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socal1111
Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 6:41pm    Post subject: Think Differently Reply with quote
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If we want to see different results, shouldn’t we think differently?

99% of our nation’s wealth is earned by 1% of the population! Why? A large part of that 1% visualizes, thinks, and acts differently than the rest. They’re willing to take risks that most are afraid of taking, and they’re not afraid of failing in the process! They’re not affected by those who tell them that their ideas won’t work, and shouldn’t be attempted.

This type of mindset can be brought to the poker table, as well. Our goals as players, should not only be learning from the winners before us, but to also create “new ways” of doing what’s already been done. We shouldn’t settle for the type of thinking that says,

“If it’s worked for 80 years, why try to alter it now?”

“If it was a good idea, someone else would’ve already tried it?”

We should use those winning concepts, of course, but also find different, more creative ways at looking at situations and decisions. We should want to be the type of players that are willing to “buck the system” in order to separate ourselves from the pack. The game, today, is filled with ABC, by-the-book type of players, who have learned to play in the same way as thousands of others.

In response to threads by players trying to improve, so many replies give close to the same advice—good advice, but still the same. That’s a problem, IMO, because I feel many players that are currently learning the game are turning into robots, making X play, because 10 people on X forum, or in X book said it was the correct play. Is there a different play that would create a better result? I don’t think that question is currently being asked often enough, but is a question, I believe, that would help separate ourselves from the 99%.

Players are learning quicker than they ever have, mainly due to all of the available information in books, and online. This is why I think it’s crucial to begin focusing on our own, new ways of looking at situations. Standard thinking is fine, and maybe even be the best way at certain times, but does it have to be the only way? Is there a different, better way? Can we question the popular logic and belief systems that are currently in place, creating our own winning formula, yet still hold onto the basic fundamentals?

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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 6:56pm    Post subject: Re: Think Differently Reply with quote
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socal1111 wrote:
[Our goals as players, should not only be learning from the winners before us, but to also create “new ways” of doing what’s already been done.


You, sir, are a visionary. Much like LeFou:

http://blog.flopturnriver.com/post/LeFou/156/Creativity--what-does-it-mean
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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 8:16pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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People need to learn the why of advice so they understand and can adjust as required. People dont need to do things differently just because its different.

Successful players are the 10%, not the 80% doing the same thing. Learning from that 10% is not following the crowd, its smart.
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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 8:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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uhhh bj... 10% and 80% is 90%.... Who's the other 10%?
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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 8:41pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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XxStacksxX wrote:
uhhh bj... 10% and 80% is 90%.... Who's the other 10%?


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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 9:01pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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XxStacksxX wrote:
uhhh bj... 10% and 80% is 90%.... Who's the other 10%?


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maybe the intellipoker players
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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 9:18pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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10% are good, 80% follow the herd and arnt, the other 10% are off inventing their own special flat wheels because the round ones are old hat.
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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 9:21pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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IntelliPoker players like flat wheels??? Now that's just dumb!
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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 9:36pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bjsaust wrote:
10% are good, 80% follow the herd and arnt, the other 10% are off inventing their own special flat wheels because the round ones are old hat.


I'm not talking about "reinventing the wheel," but how about finding a better body-style to put on those wheels?

If we're unwilling to look for possible ways to evolve, we'll always be in a "state-of-stuck!" Wink

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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 10:24pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Please impart me with your wisdom. Tell me about some of your unorthodox strategies.

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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 10:55pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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grnydrowave2 wrote:
Please impart me with your wisdom. Tell me about some of your unorthodox strategies.

-grnydrowave2


Can't tell is you're serious... or just busting my chops! Very Happy
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Post Posted: Tue, 24 Jun 2008, 11:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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[EDIT:
Regarding your first paragraph:]

Rrrrrright....... NOT!

1/100 of the population has 99/100 of the wealth. Not because of brighter ideas. Because of oppression, control, and all the capitalist system mechanics that keep the lower classes at bay.
Tell me that Bush has bright ideas! LOL
I will assume your country is the USA, where the rights of the workers to organize in unions are suppressed all over. The country that condones torture and says fuck the Geneva Convention. The country that invades other countries by brute force without provocation.
In that country, and unfortunately, in most countries, inherited power and force is what keeps that top 1/100 where it is. NOT BRIGHT NEW IDEAS

Anarchist saying:
If shit was worth something, the poor would be born without an asshole

They say "the cream rises to the top", I say "shit floats"
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 4:46am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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This is the beginner forum, the more I think about this thread, the more I think its the worst one I've seen posted here.

People are coming here to learn how to play. They need to learn the basics, and then move onto understanding the concepts. Sometime way after they've moved beyond reading the beginner forum for advice they can start to branch out on their own to take those concepts and come up with something new if need be, but encouraging people still learning the basics to come up with plays all by themselves before they even understand why we use the plays we do is just dangerous to their development and their BR.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 7:35am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I agree bj. You can't re-invent the automobile unless you have actually spent some time driving, a ton of time.

As for thinking differently, we are all in a state of flux when it comes to learning poker. It's only when we have these so called "AHA moments" that we begin to think differently about a concept or the game and improve. To think that you are going to do something different in poker and find a new, successful path that has not been tried would be a akin to banging your head on the wall. It's useless. There are so many things that are proven, winning strategies that we cannot even grasp, why bother looking for new paths. I for one, will spend the rest of my pursuit of poker knowledge on trying to figure out what Gabe, Sauce, ISF, P4's, Cocco bill and all the other $400NL, $600NL, $1KNL regs on this site are doing differently and learn from them. Blaze a new path if you want. I'm going this way, it's been proven to be successful and I would rather take successful over trailblazing.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 7:47am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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they way I see it, Social1 has a valid point.

I read all new posts daily and am always taking in new information, a lot of stuff I just dont grasp , sometimes when Im at the table , i get a eureka!! moment and I marry up a subtle happening at the table with something I have read at FTR.

So Social1' s message is clear, keep openminded and dont be afraid to venture your own ideas.And I am very much an absolute beginner.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 7:52am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Those eurekas are not from your own ideas, they are from others. You are learning from them and their path. You would have to disagree with the dogma posted and go out on your own and figure things out. Do this. Get a deck of cards, and some chips and turn off your computer. Spend the next week figuring something out about poker that nobody else has, then come back and see if you blazed a new path.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 7:58am    Post subject: Re: Think Differently Reply with quote
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grnydrowave2 wrote:
socal1111 wrote:
[Our goals as players, should not only be learning from the winners before us, but to also create “new ways” of doing what’s already been done.


You, sir, are a visionary. Much like LeFou:

http://blog.flopturnriver.com/post/LeFou/156/Creativity--what-does-it-mean


Good looks on putting me onto Lefou. LOL WTF.

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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 10:16am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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asdpikas wrote:
[EDIT:
Regarding your first paragraph:]

Rrrrrright....... NOT!

1/100 of the population has 99/100 of the wealth. Not because of brighter ideas. Because of oppression, control, and all the capitalist system mechanics that keep the lower classes at bay.
Tell me that Bush has bright ideas! LOL
I will assume your country is the USA, where the rights of the workers to organize in unions are suppressed all over. The country that condones torture and says fuck the Geneva Convention. The country that invades other countries by brute force without provocation.
In that country, and unfortunately, in most countries, inherited power and force is what keeps that top 1/100 where it is. NOT BRIGHT NEW IDEAS

Anarchist saying:
If shit was worth something, the poor would be born without an asshole

They say "the cream rises to the top", I say "shit floats"


Damn bro... I think you're looking for the anti-capitalist rant forum two blogs over..... Shocked
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 10:49am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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sarbox68 wrote:


Damn bro... I think you're looking for the anti-capitalist rant forum two blogs over..... Shocked


LOL
i just had to say it. That whole "the powerful are powerful because they have bright ideas" is just ludicrous. Plus the comparison with poker is just crap.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 11:11am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Quote:


LOL
i just had to say it. That whole "the powerful are powerful because they have bright ideas" is just ludicrous. Plus the comparison with poker is just crap.



I beg to differ , poker is ruled by the Capitalists A's ,K's, Q's and J's, Royalists actually.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 11:14am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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celtic123 wrote:
That whole "the powerful are powerful because they have bright ideas" is just ludicrous.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 11:29am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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celtic123 has to be social1111

how are beginners (like myself) supposed to develop new and innovative poker staratergies when we are learning the simple basics.

Walk before you run. . . . . ??

Thread fails IMO.
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Post Posted: Wed, 25 Jun 2008, 11:46am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Fwiw OP sn is socal1111. There is no social in it. But w.e.

I agre with the others that there is a certain process beginner's have to endure to grow as a player. First you get told how to do something and you start implementing it into your game. Later you start to realize just exactly what it is accomplishing and why it is good/bad advice to take. The good advice you keep, while the bad you disregard.

I'm pretty sure there isn't too many, if any, things that hasn't been tried in poker. While I agree that you shoudn't blindly follow someone's advice and when asked why you raise preflop with AA, say "because so and so