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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 2:09am Post subject: the big thread about should i push this??
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4-of-a-Kind

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well, not so big yet. hopefully it will be. basically, a lot of people post here ask whether we should push this or that in this or that situation. why not just have 1 single thread asking the question? you ask, people answer. that's it.
i'll start off.
stacks 5954, 3315, 1950 (me in SB), 2281 (BB)
fold, fold. i push with 22 in the SB. easy push right? |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 3:25am Post subject: Re: the big thread about should i push this??
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Straight Flush

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SNGPT/SNG Wiz is your friend in these sorts of situations.
| |~|ypermegachi wrote: | stacks 5954, 3315, 1950 (me in SB), 2281 (BB)
fold, fold. i push with 22 in the SB. easy push right? |
Assuming blinds are 100/200 or above, easy push for me. Unless BB is an idiot he won't call you wide here. Plus in most situations if you're called, you're usually a 50/50 or 55/45 favourite. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 1:56pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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i put it into the SNGWIZ trial.
the point between pushing/folding is when BB's calling range is ~35%. |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Mar 2007, 2:20pm Post subject:
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11 OF DIAMONDS

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Location: ISHPERMING MISHIGEN
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| I push, for better or for worse. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 3:56pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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No history with crippp, 25/0 over like 20 hands
PokerStars Game #9200521777: Tournament #42024191, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/01 - 15:27:35 (ET)
Table '42024191 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DCMirage (2145 in chips)
Seat 2: swiggidy (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: Anosmic (1232 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerdwarf (1435 in chips)
Seat 5: C2Knuckles (1590 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (1665 in chips)
Seat 7: rocker52 (1995 in chips)
Seat 8: cripppp (1045 in chips)
Seat 9: Isopbc (1203 in chips)
rocker52: posts small blind 15
cripppp: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swiggidy [ ]
Isopbc: folds
DCMirage: calls 30
swiggidy: raises 90 to 120
Anosmic: folds
pokerdwarf: folds
C2Knuckles: folds
givememyleg: folds
rocker52: folds
cripppp: raises 925 to 1045 and is all-in
DCMirage: folds
swiggidy: calls 925 |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 4:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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| swiggidy wrote: | No history with crippp, 25/0 over like 20 hands
PokerStars Game #9200521777: Tournament #42024191, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2007/04/01 - 15:27:35 (ET)
Table '42024191 2' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: DCMirage (2145 in chips)
Seat 2: swiggidy (1280 in chips)
Seat 3: Anosmic (1232 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerdwarf (1435 in chips)
Seat 5: C2Knuckles (1590 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (1665 in chips)
Seat 7: rocker52 (1995 in chips)
Seat 8: cripppp (1045 in chips)
Seat 9: Isopbc (1203 in chips)
rocker52: posts small blind 15
cripppp: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swiggidy [ ]
Isopbc: folds
DCMirage: calls 30
swiggidy: raises 90 to 120
Anosmic: folds
pokerdwarf: folds
C2Knuckles: folds
givememyleg: folds
rocker52: folds
cripppp: raises 925 to 1045 and is all-in
DCMirage: folds
swiggidy: calls 925 |
Considering the type of players, I don't think it's bad, but I don't think that you have to. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 4:45pm Post subject:
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Full House

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| You're probably behind a pair here unless he's playing some kind of read. The pot makes it +EV anyway. I like it. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 4:59pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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| swiggidy wrote: | No history with crippp, 25/0 over like 20 hands
Hold'em No Limit - Level II (15/30)
Dealt to swiggidy [ ]
swiggidy: raises 90 to 120
cripppp: raises 925 to 1045 and is all-in
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his push says he's got a hand that wants to take it down right now, and not necessarily strong enough to see the flop and decide then. personally i don't like gambling so early in the tournament so i fold. but calling isn't bad, and might be better since you're at least 3:2 favourite (non PP more likely than PP) |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 5:52pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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3rd or 4th hand, no reads
$25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/01 - 17:47:43 (ET)
Table '### 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ZZ HOG (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: bob29 (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: breakanddish (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: skipbro (1000 in chips)
Seat 5: chewbucka (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: tureti (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Medusa HD (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: wfergie (1500 in chips)
skipbro: posts small blind 10
chewbucka: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
tureti: folds
Medusa HD: calls 20
Hero : raises 80 to 100
wfergie: folds
ZZ HOG: folds
bob29: calls 100
breakanddish: raises 80 to 180
skipbro: folds
chewbucka: folds
Medusa HD: folds
Hero : raises 1350 to 1530 and is all-in |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 8:15pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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| |~|ypermegachi wrote: | 3rd or 4th hand, no reads
$25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/01 - 17:47:43 (ET)
Table '### 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ZZ HOG (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: bob29 (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: breakanddish (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: skipbro (1000 in chips)
Seat 5: chewbucka (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: tureti (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Medusa HD (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: wfergie (1500 in chips)
skipbro: posts small blind 10
chewbucka: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
tureti: folds
Medusa HD: calls 20
Hero : raises 80 to 100
wfergie: folds
ZZ HOG: folds
bob29: calls 100
breakanddish: raises 80 to 180
skipbro: folds
chewbucka: folds
Medusa HD: folds
Hero : raises 1350 to 1530 and is all-in |
This one is pretty standard for me readless. Min re-raise is not always AA or KK, particularly at these stakes (which I play too).
The other line would be to 4-bet him to 600 and see what he does. |
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Posted: Sun, 01 Apr 2007, 8:16pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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| |~|ypermegachi wrote: | 3rd or 4th hand, no reads
$25+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2007/04/01 - 17:47:43 (ET)
Table '### 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: ZZ HOG (2340 in chips)
Seat 2: bob29 (1230 in chips)
Seat 3: breakanddish (1440 in chips)
Seat 4: skipbro (1000 in chips)
Seat 5: chewbucka (1460 in chips)
Seat 6: tureti (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: Medusa HD (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero (1530 in chips)
Seat 9: wfergie (1500 in chips)
skipbro: posts small blind 10
chewbucka: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Qd Qh]
tureti: folds
Medusa HD: calls 20
Hero : raises 80 to 100
wfergie: folds
ZZ HOG: folds
bob29: calls 100
breakanddish: raises 80 to 180
skipbro: folds
chewbucka: folds
Medusa HD: folds
Hero : raises 1350 to 1530 and is all-in |
Maybe reraise him to see what he does. Although, it's very hard for me to fold QQ no matter what stage. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Apr 2007, 12:11am Post subject:
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Two Pair

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swiggidy;
I don't think you did anything wrong here, I prefer not to play for all the chips early on with AK or even AKs. I play AK like I play my middle pocket pairs (7's-10's) limp with them from early and middle position and raise 9's-10's from late position, fold to re raise all in. Limping seems to save me a lot of trouble with AK and AQ. I can see the flop cheaply and there's no need to continuation bet if I miss, plus it conceals the strength of my hand. I play this way until I have around 10-12x BB at which point I am ready to play for all the chips. If raised to me I will normally re-raise all in with big slick. If in position, I will push all in pre-flop to steal so my opponents will call later when I have big pocket pair The down side to this is sometimes you can get outdraw by hands like small pairs and give your opponents a chance to make a big hand and you are drawing dead. I think for me the lesson to be learned is not to get married to AK, its a great hand when it improves but almost a rag when it misses the flop. TJ Cloutier says to play AK like you would play a pair of 10's. Just my $.02 worth. |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Apr 2007, 12:49am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind

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^^ villains play, based partially off observation, and partially off timing screamed TT-JJ. Then I looked at the stats and got cold feet. If villains range is TT-KK I have odds, or if it's TT-AA, AQ+.
I know I'm again calling not pushing but I like this thread and it's still an all-in situation
I call the raise because I think I can take the pot post-flop from ISOP. Anosmics calling range is fairly (too?) tight. I was surprised he called.
Every gauntlett GMML and me are at the same table. He always acts like I'm making a move but gives my pushes respect. We've been talking shit and he's about to push any decent hand. I actually expected him to push this pre-flop and was waiting to call. If I limp/call I'm ahead of his range. If I push and he calls I'm way behind his range. I'm not sure how the eV for either works out.
PokerStars Game #9200709210: Tournament #42024191, $5.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2007/04/01 - 15:39:00 (ET)
Table '42024191 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: DCMirage (1805 in chips)
Seat 2: swiggidy (625 in chips)
Seat 3: Anosmic (2339 in chips)
Seat 4: pokerdwarf (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: givememyleg (583 in chips)
Seat 7: rocker52 (2025 in chips)
Seat 8: cripppp (2170 in chips)
Seat 9: Isopbc (1083 in chips)
pokerdwarf: posts small blind 25
givememyleg: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to swiggidy [As 5s]
rocker52: folds
cripppp: folds
Isopbc: calls 50
DCMirage: folds
swiggidy: calls 50
Anosmic: calls 50
pokerdwarf: folds
givememyleg: raises 532 to 582
Isopbc: folds
swiggidy: calls 532
Comedy
givememyleg said, "i hate this"
givememyleg said, "i dont want swigg to have my chips"
swiggidy said, "pot odds" <-- because GMML has 1 chip left
givememyleg said, "I BETTE RWIN THI SHAND HG&EYGHT*&G$EG"
givememyleg said, "I GOT NOTHING"
givememyleg said, "I HATE SWIGGIDY"
not comedic
swiggidy: mucks hand
givememyleg said, "PWN" <--LOL
givememyleg collected 1289 from pot
swiggidy said, "crap" |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Apr 2007, 3:39am Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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| i like the idea of this thread. One stop shop for pushing situations. Maybe another thread for calling shoves? |
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Posted: Tue, 03 Apr 2007, 3:45am Post subject:
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Straight Flush

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| Da GOAT wrote: | | i like the idea of this thread. One stop shop for pushing situations. Maybe another thread for calling shoves? |
...and where was that strategy post that you were going to write on calling shoves  |
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