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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 6:57am Post subject: survey says...
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Strike 1
Joined: 30 Oct 2007
Posts: 494
WPP: 63
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
UTG ($25.35)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($20.85)
MP2 ($15.60)
MP3 ($21.70)
CO ($34.25)
Hero ($51.60)
SB ($15.50)
BB ($25.35)
Preflop: Hero is Button with T , J .
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, BB|BB checks.
Flop: ($1.25) 9, J , 5 (4 players)
BB|BB checks, UTG bets $0.5, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1.5, BB|BB folds, UTG calls $1.
Turn: ($4.25) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75.
River: ($5.75) T (2 players)
UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $22.85, Hero ?. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 8:38am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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Survey says he's probably got a set. But think of it this way. He has bet every street, even though you raised the flop; he has re-raised all in on the river; and you are beaten by an obvious straight and any set. It's all about relative hand values, and yours is way down the pecking order.
Also, if he is putting you on a hand here, he has to think you have TP, set, or maybe even the straight draw that hits. And yet he re-raises your extremely strong river bet. He can't think he has fold equity after your two raises - this looks like the nuts, or perhaps a set misplayed in the classic donk fashion of getting the money in when he's no longer got the nuts.
So - you need a read of exceptional reliability to call this - he needs to be a proven maniac and/or idiot who slowplays AA. But at 25nl I think you're behind literally 95% of the time. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 8:56am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 24 Sep 2006
Posts: 492
WPP: 41
Location: Huddersfield, England
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| Survey says i kinda miss watching family fortunes |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:49am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 06 Jun 2007
Posts: 1431
WPP: 62
Location: NS, Canada
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| i couldnt understand why you limped in JT offsuit on the button. I either raise to isolate donks or just simply fold it . As played, i'd just call his bet on the river instead of raising and fold to his shove. |
Last edited by pokerfan on Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:51am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 10:51am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 3479
WPP: 102
Location: The Grind
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| Raise preflop. As played, fold to river shove. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 3:47pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 30 May 2006
Posts: 1370
WPP: 232
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KQ
In some games you can limp behind with JT. I do it all the time. I haven't enough of a database to know if it's better/worse than mucking/raising, though. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 3:35pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 29 Mar 2007
Posts: 586
WPP: 56
Location: In S-mart Swallowing Your Soul!
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 6:32pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 07 Jan 2006
Posts: 1011
WPP: 103
Location: Hartford, CT
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I may limp TJ suited, usually never TJo, with out reads this is tuff, people limp in all positions with absolutely trash. Ive seen people limp UTG Q3 off suit and then call a raise.
Most times when the bettor overbets big, or goes all in on the river they are usually looking to get paid off.
I think calling the river bet would be ok. The reraise Allin means they have you beat.
my guess:
UTG limps w/ 7 8 suited bets his gutshot, calls the raise and hits it on the turn. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 9:40pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
Posts: 5718
WPP: 72
Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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| don't raise flop, fold river for sure |
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Full Tilt Poker FTOPS XIV - Event 10 $300+$22 NL Hold'em
