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Posted: Thu, 12 Aug 2004, 11:56pm Post subject: Strange hand....
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Season II
Joined: 11 May 2004
Posts: 1697
WPP: 68
Location: MI
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What are the odds for both of us to have the same pocket pair??
PokerStars Game #612031355: Tournament #2338969, Hold'em No Limit -
Level III (25/50) - 2004/08/13 - 00:52:51 (ET)
Table '2338969 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 3: Les_'worm' (2670 in chips)
Seat 4: BluFleck (1943 in chips)
Seat 5: ollis 3:16 (682 in chips)
Seat 7: skindog13 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: bperr17 (2135 in chips)
Seat 1: kngr24 (2210 in chips)
Seat 2: bobeatle (2360 in chips)
kngr24: posts small blind 25
bobeatle: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Les_'worm' [7c 7d]
Les_'worm': calls 50
BluFleck: folds
ollis 3:16: raises 632 to 682 and is all-in
skindog13: folds
bperr17: calls 682
kngr24: folds
bobeatle: folds
Les_'worm': raises 1988 to 2670 and is all-in
bperr17: calls 1453 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [Jh 9s 4c]
*** TURN *** [Jh 9s 4c] [6h]
*** RIVER *** [Jh 9s 4c 6h] [5d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Les_'worm': shows [7c 7d] (a pair of Sevens)
bperr17: shows [7s 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
Les_'worm' collected 1453 from side pot
bperr17 collected 1453 from side pot
ollis 3:16: shows [2s 2d] (a pair of Deuces)
ollis 3:16 is sitting out
Les_'worm' collected 1061 from main pot
bperr17 collected 1060 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5027 Main pot 2121. Side pot 2906. | Rake 0
Board [Jh 9s 4c 6h 5d]
Seat 3: Les_'worm' showed [7c 7d] and won (2514) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 4: BluFleck folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: ollis 3:16 showed [2s 2d] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 7: skindog13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: bperr17 (button) showed [7s 7h] and won (2513) with a pair of
Sevens
Seat 1: kngr24 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: bobeatle (big blind) folded before Flop |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 3:06am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Posts: 1522
WPP: 82
Location: England UK
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Pretty Slim  |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 5:25am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 19 May 2004
Posts: 411
WPP: 200
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| Happened to me at a live game not too long ago. Sadly, me and the other guy with TT were both up against AA....and we're holding each other's outs and drawing dead. Doh! |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 5:55am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
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WPP: 82
Location: England UK
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Last edited by Toasty on Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 6:00am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 5:59am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Posts: 1522
WPP: 82
Location: England UK
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Well for heads up play the calc would go something like.
(3/51)*(2/50)*(1/49)=20824:1 The first card being ignored due to its irrelevance, if you were looking for tens specifically you would add 4/52 at the start (4/52)*(3/51)*(2/50)*(1/49)=270725
With more people in the pot the calc get complicated, this is one of the times we could use Koolmoe's big math brain 
I don't think I have the knoledge to work out a full game.
You would need to calulate how many diff groups could match the aces, if we say that you are in seat 1 and must have 2 aces in the scenario, you could match cards with seat 2-10. You would need to calulate the 9 scenarios of having the same pocket pair and factor in the odds of everyone else dodging them.
Long story short its 6016:1 at a full table (10) for any two players to be dealt the same pocket pair. The odds of you being dealt a specific pocket pair and someone else holding the second pocket pair are 30,079:1 i think  |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 11:20am Post subject:
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But who will mod the mods?!
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
Posts: 5063
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Location: Redondo Beach, CA
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I played in a home game a while ago. Around 5 players, I believe.
Pre-flop between two players: Bet, raise, re-raise, all-in, call.
Both were holding JJ.
They were about to split the pot right there without even dealing the board! I explained to them that they have to continue dealing since someone could still draw a flush.
Sure enough, the girl that was all-in won it all when the last 4 cards come out all diamonds. |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 2:35pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Aug 2004
Posts: 1968
WPP: 96
Location: 6max limit tables
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| I had an experience just like this, I was in a home game, the board showed three cards of the same value, I think they were 2s or something low, I had played my hand aggressive pre-flop, on the flop, on the turn, and on the river, by the river I was all in and there was only one person left I had KK, full house and I was confident he wouldn't have stayed that long with the case 2, only thing I was worried about if he had trips of the higher then the trips on the board and AA, well I turned my hand over and said boat KK he laughed and he turned over KK also, that just sucked all that betting for nothing... |
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Posted: Fri, 13 Aug 2004, 2:42pm Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 06 Apr 2004
Posts: 312
WPP: 289
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Here's a similar hand from the other day. I would have really liked to have known if this guy really had the ace or not. If not it was pretty gutsy, otherwise it was a great play. I'm sure the other dude was thinking split all the way.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (8 handed) converter
SB ($304.15)
BB ($167.45)
UTG ($94.55)
UTG+1 ($219.25)
MP1 ($216.75)
MP2 ($77.60)
CO ($136.15)
Hero ($157.75)
Preflop: Hero is Button with Q , 5 .
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $2, CO folds, Hero folds, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($7) 7 , 7, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets $6, SB folds, BB calls $6.
Turn: ($19) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks.
River: ($19) K (2 players)
BB bets $159.45 (All-In), MP2 folds.
Final Pot: $178.45
Results in white below:
BB doesn't show.
Outcome: BB wins $178.45. |
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Posted: Sat, 14 Aug 2004, 1:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
Posts: 1720
WPP: 297
Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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| One time when I was still pretty new to Holdem there was a board with quads on it by the river, and I had the ace and shoved all in. The other guy laughed and called with two low cards. Then he gets all pissed, and is like "Damn, I thought it was an automatic split like a straight on the board!" |
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Posted: Mon, 16 Aug 2004, 9:17am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 10 Aug 2004
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WPP: 257
Location: Vegas
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Since were figuring odds, Ive been trying to find someone to figure this one for a while. 3 handed, 5 card draw, two seperate alternating decks:
Hand one: QQ22x (resulted in Qs full)
Hand two: QQ22x (didnt improve)
Hand three:QQ2xx (resulted in QQ552)
Now this was ~6 in the morning, so I stared a while the second hand thinking I had gone batty, and laughed like a madman the third hand, thinking I had just been certified crazy. I won all three hands, everyone called me a poker God. But I have yet to find the odds.
The closest I have come up with is
(3/51) 2nd Q * (3/49) 2nd 2 That completes the first hand
(4/52)*(3/51) QQ * (4/50)*(3/49) 22 That completes the second hand
(4/52)*(3/51) QQ * (4/50) the 2
Invert after multiplying everything = 34,610,123,211 to 1
So if I played 5 draw 24/7, @30 hands/hr, I would see this in another 131,607 years.
Sound right, any ideas, will I ever see this again? |
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Posted: Tue, 17 Aug 2004, 4:31am Post subject: Re: Strange hand....
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 17644
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Location: Walk the Walk, Flop the Flop.
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| Knish wrote: | What are the odds for both of us to have the same pocket pair??
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...and have both players play it like they're on crack... |
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Posted: Wed, 25 Aug 2004, 7:05am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 18 Aug 2004
Posts: 6696
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Location: Somewhere in middle america
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| Quote: | | One time when I was still pretty new to Holdem there was a board with quads on it by the river, and I had the ace and shoved all in. The other guy laughed and called with two low cards. Then he gets all pissed, and is like "Damn, I thought it was an automatic split like a straight on the board!" |
I also saw a had simlar to this once - 3 people in after a low PFR (not me) floop comes 6d 7d 9d - checked around - turn is 5d - small bet called by all three - river sure enough is the 8d. First to act pushes all in, reping 10d or maybe even Jd 10d - after a pause both others called. Ended up no one had the 10d and they split. |
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Posted: Wed, 25 Aug 2004, 7:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Jun 2004
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Location: Rochester Hills, MI
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Similarly to that, I once saw a board that was a royal flush, after I folded on the turn.
Along with other crazy hands, once in a tournament a long time ago I saw three people shove in preflop, and all 3 hand AT. So not only were there three ATs, but as Fnord said, they all played it like they were on crack. You'd think at least the 3rd guy would fold, after 2 all ins in front of him. |
Last edited by michael1123 on Wed, 25 Aug 2004, 7:37am; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Wed, 25 Aug 2004, 7:34am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 06 Aug 2004
Posts: 586
WPP: 89
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I was in a hand where me and another guy both had AA and someone ended up also going all-in with 77 (wtf?) he hit his set on the flop, though. And then other AA guy gets his flush.
I wasn't too happy being left out to dry like that  |
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