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Posted: Wed, 24 Mar 2004, 10:02pm Post subject: Statistics on Poker Party
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Thanks for the website. Good stuff and a pretty cool/generous community of contributors.
I'm a new fish, haven't read any books, and am wondering about practical interpretations of the "Statistics".
Does anyone have any benchmark numbers for comparison. After 200-300 hands, I am consistently running about 23-25% win ratio (on 10-player tables) with 50-55% flops seen and a 33-35% win ratio when flops are seen. I have a feeling the win ratio is too low and I am calling too many flops.
Obviously, the total $$ gained or lost is the ultimate "statistic". I figured that since they are showingus these stats, they must mean something to the more advanced player.
Thanks a million.
-Marty |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 12:07am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 18762
WPP: 81
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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How much did you lose? More importantly, what's your Party Poker handle?  |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 12:31am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 610
WPP: 108
Location: lemonade was a popular drink and it still is
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| Fnord wrote: | | How much did you lose? More importantly, what's your Party Poker handle? |
That's messed up man.
Anyway, back to the original post. I'd say that you are seeing way too many flops. My sessions I usually see about 30-37% of the flops. Not too say that I win alot of money, but I play pretty tight and have been doing ok since I have read the essays on this sight and put it to use in my game.
But, if you are willing to give up your PP handle, then go right ahead.  |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 3:43am Post subject:
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Thanks friends. Only played $1/$2 for about a week.
After reading your essays I switched to NL tonight, employed the strategies best I could. So far:
164 Hands
12% won
38% showdowns
30% flops seen
39% win if flops seen
Best part is $70 up.
Thanks again.
-Marty
PS-Does this mean I have to tithe to FTR now? |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 4:32am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 18762
WPP: 81
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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Nice win rates. Sounds like you got a great run of cards. Keep at it. I had a $390+$100 Bonus run at the 3/6 tables when I started and it really helped to have the cushion when I learned the NL ropes and took my first downward swings.
30% flops seen is ok if you got a great run of cards or know how to play a lot of hands well at the right table. For a while I ran between 30-40% flops seen. Then I learned to fold more trap hands (QJo) and out of position drawing hands, dropping down to 20-30% flops seen in the process. |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 8:36am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 20 Dec 2003
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I just saw Fnords Avatar!!!
thats funny.. awesome movie. |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 2:01pm Post subject:
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Administrator
Joined: 04 Dec 2003
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MartyB,
Welcome to FTR, glad my essays could help you. Sounds like you are on the right track. Obviously, since you've read much of the material here, I think it was a good move to switch to no-limit.
As regards to the tithe... well I would only hope that if the site has helped you out, that you would spread the word. If players sign up to PartyPoker through this site, that is the only way we are rewarded.
Keep us posted on your progress, catch you later. |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 6:07pm Post subject:
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Thanks again, Mr. T. I will spread the word and tell people to link PP thru this sight first (wish I had). I'll let you know how it goes from time to time. Bottom line is that it's a fun thing thing for us old folks (46yrs) to do when other avenues of pleasure have been efffectively cut off from us (don't get married).
Cheap thrillls - ....
Kindest Regards,
-M |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 6:21pm Post subject:
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Administrator
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LOL, don't get married... that's funny...
Obviously, I'm not married yet because I'm spending all my time updating this website or playing online poker...
Good luck to you, talk to you later. |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 8:50pm Post subject:
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| Quote: | "In the game of life, women are the rake. They are the f*ckin rake.”
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i'm down with ya worm!!!! |
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Posted: Thu, 25 Mar 2004, 9:00pm Post subject:
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Administrator
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lol, awesome.
Not sure I agree with Worm's perspective, but hilarious stuff nonetheles!
This thread took an unusual turn... just for the record - this is not Al Bundy's He-Man Woman Hater's Club... |
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Posted: Mon, 24 May 2004, 4:37pm Post subject: Re: Statistics on Poker Party
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26,304 Session Games
Games Won = 29%
Showdowns Won = 47%
Flops Seen = 29%
Win % if Flops Seen = 51% |
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Posted: Mon, 24 May 2004, 5:18pm Post subject:
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3-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Feb 2004
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Location: VA
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| Quote: | Games Won = 29%
Win % if Flops Seen = 51% |
Is this play money? |
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Posted: Tue, 25 May 2004, 8:35am Post subject: Re: Statistics on Poker Party
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 18762
WPP: 81
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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| CHr wrote: |
Flops Seen = 29%
Win % if Flops Seen = 51%
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Unreal. What games are you playing and how? |
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Posted: Tue, 25 May 2004, 1:42pm Post subject: Re: Statistics on Poker Party
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Full House
Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 1064
WPP: 108
Location: San Francisco
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| CHr wrote: | | 26,304 Session Games |
Yeah, CHr's stats do seem a little off.
He would have had to have his Party Poker client open for months to have that many session games, right? Must be one rock solid windows installation. |
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Posted: Mon, 07 Jun 2004, 3:14pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Apr 2004
Posts: 755
WPP: 140
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Flops seen range from 18-30%, usually in low 20s. If you are over 30 you are playing too many hands.
Showdowns won should range from 66-100%.
Win % if flop seen 25% + is good.
I always check my stats. The above number apply to 150 + hands played or about a 2 hour session which is probably the smallest sample you should use. |
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Posted: Mon, 07 Jun 2004, 5:05pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 20 Apr 2004
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my stats are around: flops seen 25% and hands won if flop seen around 40%
not sure how to interpret this, but i have been winning lately so i guess its good |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jun 2004, 9:03am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 13 Apr 2004
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40% win if flop seen is almost perfect. Essentially your are winning almost 1/2 of all the flops that you stick around to see. Over the long haul, if you can win nearly half of your hands when your mony is in the middle, you will be a winner.
I am happy with winning 25% or better. |
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Posted: Tue, 08 Jun 2004, 9:22am Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 18762
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Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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My stats for 2/4 (.5/1 plays a little different)
W$WSF 32%
VP$IP 18.72%
VP$SB 40.66% (too high, working on this)
WTSD 32%
W$SD 56%
PFR 8%
Aggression factor
Flop: 2.24
Turn 1.70
River .91 (working on this too) |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jun 2004, 5:25am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 02 Apr 2004
Posts: 1522
WPP: 82
Location: England UK
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| Yeah looks like you are missing some value on the river, its hard to pop that last bet or raise in sometimes with a scary baord, my stats are probably similar i'll post them when i get home on Thursday. Have around 2.5k 6 SH hands. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jun 2004, 2:31pm Post subject:
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Royal Flush
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 18762
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Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
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| Toasty wrote: | | Yeah looks like you are missing some value on the river, its hard to pop that last bet or raise in sometimes with a scary baord, my stats are probably similar i'll post them when i get home on Thursday. Have around 2.5k 6 SH hands. |
Yeah, I've been working on the missed value bet problem. However, on the flip side I've very good about avoiding paying off 1 or 2 BB when I get outdrawn and have picked off quite a few river bluffs, so by just kicking up my aggression I wouldn't expect to overall come out ahead. Just need to balance out my judgement a little more in favor of betting. |
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Posted: Fri, 21 Jan 2005, 4:22pm Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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Hmm this is confusing,
my stats are
games won 20
flops seen 28%
win % if flops seen 72%
But Im not doing much better than breakeven moneywise?? what am I doing wrong? My guess is losing too many big pots due to carelessnes. typically I will make 100 or so in 10 and 5 sized pots then blow 60 or 70 playing 2 pair when a flush comes on the river and wipes me out. But I cant see what Im doing wrong I bet hard enough to knock most fish off the pot but get stung by reasonable pairs making it to a flush or straight. But Im astonished that the consensus is that better than 25 percent is good for games won flops seen. Im thinking there has to be a major flaw in my betting.
take today.
games played 165
games won 22 %
flops seen 31% (high I know but usually im lower )
games won if flops seen 68%
yet im down 100 bucks on the session in a .5 1 dollar game??
Any suggestions?
Scotty |
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Posted: Fri, 21 Jan 2005, 4:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 20 Dec 2003
Posts: 1943
WPP: 78
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| Fnord wrote: | My stats for 2/4 (.5/1 plays a little different)
W$WSF 32%
VP$IP 18.72%
VP$SB 40.66% (too high, working on this)
WTSD 32%
W$SD 56%
PFR 8%
Aggression factor
Flop: 2.24
Turn 1.70
River .91 (working on this too) |
I guess by your latest posts you've worked on these  haha |
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