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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 8:00pm Post subject: Stars using Image/Word verification system to prevent bots
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Oct 2006
Posts: 1623
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Location: San Francisco, CA
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| sooo I'm playing today and notice an image in the chatbox which i have to type the words for to keep playing, and I have 100 seconds. Annoying but I guess its a good idea? Only had to type it once for all my tables |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 8:34pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 24 Sep 2004
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Location: Nest of Douchebags
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kinda old news but let me reemphasize
bankitdrew = fuct |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 10:01pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
Joined: 06 Aug 2006
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| kinda seems dumb. Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 10:20pm Post subject:
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Life Donk
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Location: running with scissors
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| Massimo wrote: | | Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up | If the botmaker can do that then he doesnt have to run poker bots to get rich. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 10:30pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| HalvSame wrote: | | Massimo wrote: | | Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up | If the botmaker can do that then he doesnt have to run poker bots to get rich. |
agreed |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 11:01pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 18 Oct 2006
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Location: San Francisco, CA
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| old news? never seen it on PS and played like 50k hands this month |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 11:17pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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Location: at the pool
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| Massimo wrote: | | kinda seems dumb. Now the bots will just have to add a program that will type in the chat for them when the message comes up |
even if that were the case, and it would be a challenge in itself, it's nice to see that stars is taking proactive measures to prevent cheating. There are a lot of other examples as well in the recent past. |
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Posted: Sun, 30 Dec 2007, 11:33pm Post subject:
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Flush
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:05am Post subject:
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Flush
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| I got one of these earlier in ths month. It actually made me happy, because that means Stars cares enough to check for bots. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:37am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 1:46am Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
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| BankItDrew wrote: | | <~~~~ twice |
Tell me what this says BOT!
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 2:01am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 3:44pm Post subject:
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High Card
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Hi, I am new to FTR (not technically... long time reader.. first time poster) . I am very curious about this word verification, I've been getting it everyday for the last 2 weeks.. it is getting annoying! I am trying to figure out what sets it off (obviously PokerStars wouldnt assist me with this). I only play 2-4 tables at a time, but I play long sessions (not long compared to some of you... usually 6hours or so) . I don't use any stats programs or anything.
How many table do you guys usually play at once? or hands per month?
I definitely play more then 50k hands a month.
Also I use the default size table, I wonder if this is something that also might set it off? if you multi table with normal size tables?
Blah, I dont know.. I just want it to go away! It's so annoying. I mean, I suppose its good that its there, but I dont understand why I keep getting hit by it. |
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 4:43pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Mon, 31 Dec 2007, 6:18pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
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FedorE,
try emailing support, I doubt anyone here knows the answers. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 4:34am Post subject:
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High Card
Joined: 31 Dec 2007
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| Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 7:09pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 01 Jan 2008
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I have a few questions regarding poker bots. I found some free poker bots that claim they are 100% guaranteed to be undetectable by the internet poker sites. Is this true? I don't think the poker rooms can't detect a bot. The same free poker bots state that "You are not allowed to use the poker bot on poker sites where robotic software is prohibited. You are responsible for investigating whether the use of the poker bot is allowed or not." From all I know all poker sites prohibite the use of robotic software.
Why are those bots free? They say it's a win-win situation, but I don't understand what they gain from not selling them. |
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Posted: Tue, 01 Jan 2008, 8:11pm Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
Joined: 11 Jun 2005
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Location: The Loser's Lounge
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| AKQJ wrote: | I have a few questions regarding poker bots. I found some free poker bots that claim they are 100% guaranteed to be undetectable by the internet poker sites. Is this true? I don't think the poker rooms can't detect a bot. The same free poker bots state that "You are not allowed to use the poker bot on poker sites where robotic software is prohibited. You are responsible for investigating whether the use of the poker bot is allowed or not." From all I know all poker sites prohibite the use of robotic software.
Why are those bots free? They say it's a win-win situation, but I don't understand what they gain from not selling them. |
They gain full access to the computer of every sucker that falls for this. |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 10:49pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 04 Mar 2005
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| here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point? |
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Posted: Wed, 02 Jan 2008, 11:30pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jul 2005
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| FedorE wrote: | | Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying. |
you are reinstalling windows to prevent having to type an image into a box at most once a day? |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 1:13am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 09 Feb 2007
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| martindcx1e wrote: | | here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point? |
Actually, bots can apparently defeat image verification aka CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart).
Quick excerpt from the article:
| PC Magazine wrote: | | RMG's software—and others like it—can apparently not only defeat CAPTCHA but actually perform the process faster than most people can. (That's quite a trick, since it means fixing the text so it's readable, OCR-ing it, and then typing it into the provided field). So the safeguard that was supposed to prove we're human is now being done by a nonhuman at superhuman speeds. Ah, the irony. |
Link to the article (seems somewhat relevant here):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdpcm/is_200710/ai_n21071065 |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 2:25am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| JinxT4 wrote: | | martindcx1e wrote: | | here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point? |
Actually, bots can apparently defeat image verification aka CAPTCHA (Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart).
Quick excerpt from the article:
| PC Magazine wrote: | | RMG's software—and others like it—can apparently not only defeat CAPTCHA but actually perform the process faster than most people can. (That's quite a trick, since it means fixing the text so it's readable, OCR-ing it, and then typing it into the provided field). So the safeguard that was supposed to prove we're human is now being done by a nonhuman at superhuman speeds. Ah, the irony. |
Link to the article (seems somewhat relevant here):
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_zdpcm/is_200710/ai_n21071065 |
wow that's amazing. i guess the machines are taking over... |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 12:54pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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Location: Viva la Puteria! / Nar Shaddaa Red Sector obv.
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| Lukie wrote: | | FedorE wrote: | | Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying. |
you are reinstalling windows to prevent having to type an image into a box at most once a day? |
Oh, he will get caught |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 12:56pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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A better verification:
example
"add a plus between these. what's the answer?
2 25"
I wanna see a bot answering that! |
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Posted: Thu, 03 Jan 2008, 1:24pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
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| martindcx1e wrote: | | here's a maybe stupid question...why do the image verifications on various sites have to be so jumbled and hard to read? a bot can't really decipher an image anyways right so what's the point? |
Yeah it's actually not too hard to make scripts to do these. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 4:35am Post subject:
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High Card
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| Jack Sawyer wrote: | | Lukie wrote: | | FedorE wrote: | | Thanks for the reply ISF. I did email support they basically told me they couldnt help me (which is actually understandable).. if they told me what was setting it off, it would kind of defeat the purpose of having it.. so unfortunately I am on my own.. I think I am going to reinstall windows just incase some 3rd party software I have is setting it off.. I dont know, its just getting really annoying. |
you are reinstalling windows to prevent having to type an image into a box at most once a day? |
Oh, he will get caught |
Oh please, shut up. If I were making a bot I'd run it on another site that has Rakeback and no security.. why would I want to run it on stars, when I could run it on some European site that is alot softer, has Rakeback, no security???
In reply to Lukie, I reinstall windows pretty often, so its not a big deal to me, also I am not really concerned about typing in an image once a day (altho it is annoying), my main concern is stars thinks I'm a bot, and I don't want them to think that .. one day I'll mistype the image and they'll seize me funds or something 
In reply to Jack again, if you think having something like 25+2 will prevent bots that can read the image you are a fool... you think if a bot could read it, they wouldnt be able to solve simple problems?? Reading it would be the only hard part, what you have to do with the info after (solve a math problem) wouldnt be an issue. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 12:35pm Post subject:
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{NSFW - nipple}
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| FedorE wrote: | | my main concern is stars thinks I'm a bot, and I don't want them to think that .. one day I'll mistype the image and they'll seize me funds or something |
Yeah, because the one thing Stars hates more than bots is typos. |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 1:51pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 16 Jan 2007
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| FedorE wrote: | | Reading it would be the only hard part |
Obviously, that is the whole point
Bots can't interpret as well as (most) humans do, what is called "common sense", at least not until the Terminator-era
We need a captcha that the bot can't can't decipher, therefore while the bot will read the data, it won't know what the hell to do with it
Oh, and btw, you will get caught |
Last edited by Jack Sawyer on Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 2:26pm; edited 2 times in total
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 2:10pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot heybude
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I'm pretty sure that if someone emails support and suggests you may be a bot they will trigger it.
I've had it happen only once while i was 24 tabling... |
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Posted: Fri, 04 Jan 2008, 2:43pm Post subject:
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Crazy Canadian Courtiebwnage
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