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Posted: Wed, 20 Aug 2008, 12:58pm Post subject: spots for river bluffs...
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
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Location: spreading fert
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let's try to add some hands to this as time goes...
READ: villains are trending passive, but i havent been to the table long. i felt i was too strong to c/f river the way the action went. so i figured if i wasnt going to fold to a single bet, a b/f line would be best since the scare card hit. that heart should give me some more FE against a Q or weak 2pr hands. decent spot for a river bluff vs typical micro players? (i know reads are important here, but i am asking for a generic answer to help me pick some spots. i will take reads from there. for now, we are just trying to identify potential spots.)
0.05/0.1 Limit Holdem
10 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($3.88)
UTG+1 ($2.18)
Hero ($1.93)
MP1 ($1.60)
MP2 ($2.96)
MP3 ($1.93)
CO ($3.18)
BTN ($0.58)
SB ($1.36)
BB ($1.53)
Pre-flop: (1.4 SB, 10 players) Hero is UTG+2  
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG folds, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls
Flop:    (14.4 SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets, 1 fold, MP3 calls, Hero calls
Turn:  (8.7 BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP3 checks
River:  (8.7 BB, 3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 raises, MP3 3-bets, Hero folds, MP1 calls |
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Posted: Wed, 20 Aug 2008, 2:06pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 26 Jul 2007
Posts: 711
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Location: UK
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Your flop play is questionable but we'll get back to that later.
Really what are you trying to fold out with the river bet that has you beat? KQ is not folding i don't think.
I check and think long and hard about calling if the last player to act bets. If it's bet and called or raised behind me I fold faster than momma on laundry day. |
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Posted: Wed, 20 Aug 2008, 4:46pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 05 Jul 2006
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raise the floppppppppp
the 3bettor obv has AK/AQ so just give up on the river |
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Posted: Wed, 20 Aug 2008, 9:57pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 16 Sep 2005
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Location: Moscow, Idaho
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yeah, I decree this river bluff unbettable.
The bigger the pot, and the scarier the river card to your opponents the more likely you should be to bet. Sadly this river card is a momentous card to the 3-better. |
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Posted: Wed, 20 Aug 2008, 10:06pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Agreed, terrible spot to bluff. Even heads up I wouldn't bet it after he checks behind on the turn. What could he 3bet preflop, cbet, then check behind with that we are ahead of (on the turn)? 88? AK? AQ? All of them beat us now and will call getting huge odds. |
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Posted: Wed, 20 Aug 2008, 10:14pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Posted: Wed, 20 Aug 2008, 10:24pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| iopq wrote: | | errr check/fold river |
fyp |
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Posted: Thu, 21 Aug 2008, 2:16am Post subject:
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Straight
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| Be pissed you didn't take the lead on the flop, let them get there, basically for free, and vomit (a little) in your mouth, as you muck the river! |
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Posted: Thu, 21 Aug 2008, 3:32pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| well, that one pretty much sucked worse than i thought. so, anyone care to show some GOOD spots for one? |
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Posted: Mon, 25 Aug 2008, 3:31am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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| bigspenda73 wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | errr check/fold river |
fyp | Well, call for 1 bet, fold for 2 |
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Posted: Mon, 25 Aug 2008, 3:43am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
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| iopq wrote: | | bigspenda73 wrote: | | iopq wrote: | | errr check/fold river |
fyp | Well, call for 1 bet, fold for 2 | no
fold for 1
1. read hands/board
2. profit |
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Posted: Mon, 25 Aug 2008, 3:45am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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oh, 4-straight board?
lulz |
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Posted: Mon, 25 Aug 2008, 6:41am Post subject:
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Flush
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| Chopper wrote: | | well, that one pretty much sucked worse than i thought. so, anyone care to show some GOOD spots for one? |
Everytime you semibluff raise the turn and miss.
Another good one is when you raise PF, say KQo, flop comes ragged, u c-bet and get called, turn is another brick, so u check behind, and river brings an A, if villain checks, u should bet |
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