Sng experiment - FULL history analysis

Here's a thought. I think I suggested this many moons ago and not sure if it ever happened. If it didn't happen it's probably because I only suggested it and didn't take the responsibility to organize it....

The idea is that we set up a private single table SnG game, say, on Stars where a lot of FTR members have accounts. The 9 or 10 of us play a SnG. It may not even need to be a money game for the purpose of saving on entry fees and being BR independent. Each of us saves the hand history, and does a full, detailed HH analysis on it from our own perspective. Then they all send the HH's to me, and I'll compile them into one humongous history, with full commentary and full card information on each player for every hand.

For those who review it, it could be pretty valuable. I'm willing to do the compilation work because I think it would be interesting to see it all anyway. I imagine we will see a lot of things such as the gap concept in practice, and particularly interesting to me will be the 4-6 handed play when blinds start getting higher.

If successful and people like it, maybe we could make it a monthly thing.

A couple questions.
1. Is it a good idea, do you think it will work in practice and will it be valuable?
2. Should we do a money game or non-money game?

I would need volunteers to play, people who are serious players that will take the responsibility to do a full analysis of every hand of their game. PM me if you are willing to take this on, with a subject of "SnG experiment participant". Afterwards, I'll post a list of everyone who responded, and then if we have more than 9 people I could set up a poll post so we can get the players in who most people are interested in seeing play, and it's all democratic and whatnot.

If this idea flies and gets enough response, I'll keep you posted on the next steps.

I think this is a great idea, thanks for suggesting it. I think it will be very valuable and we should include players of all levels rather than just the best players on this forum. If we have >9 interested participants we can just set up more than one table.

I think we will need to make it a money game as unless I'm mistaken I don't think that PS will set up a private play money game. If necessary we can strike a deal where the winners redistribute the winnings to all players on the table so all everybody pays is the entry fees.

The other way to do this is what was done on 2+2 a few months ago, where a bunch of very well respected players (think ZeeJustin Rolling Eyes

, Curtains, Jason Strasser and others) commented on an entire PP $22 that the organiser played and he put it into the PP replayer with their comments. Search "My gift to the forum" if you haven't seen it already.

This is a good idea and I will play if it comes together Smile

I want to make a clarification - the phrase "serious players" does not mean you need to consider yourself a sng master or that you play a certain buy-in level of sngs. only that you are aspiring for success and want to learn and aren't afraid of a learning experience. No one's going to call you a donk, i promise. You just have to take the experiment seriously and do a good job reviewing your own HH and doing a timely hand by hand analysis after the fact.

I've gotten 4 so far, so thanks for those who have PMed me.

I'm in!!!

I suggested this before, we played the game, and RL went insane and i never recieved all the HH's....

I'm all for it, I like the play money idea, but people really need to understand that they must play like it means something.

I'm definitely in - I need all the help I can get.

I would definately play this. It sounds like a really cool idea.

Play money probably would not work though.

Good idea

I would play, depending on time (I live in GMT+2 timezone).

I think it should be for money, probably $5 will do, hopefully we can have 2 table Sng if enough people sign up.

If we wanna set it up at stars and make it a private tourney, it'll probably have to be for $11.

*Last edited by Da GOAT on Fri, 15 Sep 2006, 4:42pm; edited 1 time in total*

I'd like to play, am In the UK so GMT

Hi guys,

Sounds like a great idea.

Playmoney, $5 or $11 buy in either of these suits me fine Smile

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Would it be a turbo or 15 minute blinds ?

Am on GMT btw

We can run one by US evening time and one by Europe evening time
Tapian, I guess at least one of them is midday for you

(edited for updates to the list of peeps below)

Update:

Thanks for the comments everyone. Yes I agree with scheduling it will be too tricky to coordinate a time that works for everyone across 3 continents. So 2 games is in order. I will handle the North American game scheduling and thanks, da GOAT, for volunteering to handle the one for the European time zones.

Also I agree that we will need to make it a real money game. I think Stars is the right option. Although you also bring up a good point that you need a certain level of points with them to set one up, which I might not have. So I might need to call on someone to set it up, but I can still work on scheduling it.

Here's the current list:

North America game
JeffreyGB
courtiebee
FlyingSaucy
Fimanoid
Anon.E.Moose

European game
Da GOAT
Pants_101
Pulpstar

Other Smile

taipan168

Sorry I should know your approximate time zone, but don't
Laeelin
fjuanl
TLR
MetsFan259

I suggest that if you are in a Euro zone, you PM da GOAT with your exact time zone and your availability, and PM me with your exact time zone and availability if you are interested in the North America game.
It will be a lot easier to schedule once we have that laid out.

I think for purposes of HH's it would be best to keep it to single table games rather than spilling over into 2 tables. So each Europe and American games should be capped off at 9, imo.

This sounds like a cool idea, i'd be interested...

I am in GMT+2, thats pretty close to european

i have emailed stars to see what FPP it costs to get it setup.

it will be a regular SNG not a speed. it was asked above. though its gonna be quite long the analysis we may as well do a good job and get a good few hands in there as itll help more i feel.

no pm's yet but im sure i will be barraged with them in a moment!!! plenty of tim eto get them in. this job wont be a hastily rush one. quality is key

Saucy, I just sent you a PM. I am willing to play and am in EDT timezone (-5 GMT)

Update#2: Below I put the responses in order that the people originally responded to the post. I think we are very close to filling up the North America one, depending on the uncatgorized list. I will do my best to schedule this thing, so bear with me over the next couple days. It looks like right now that a week night -6 or -7 GMT will work the best for the American one. I'll keep you up to date.

Here's the current list:
Uncategorized between America/Euro
Laeelin (America or Euro?)
fjuanl (America or Euro?)
MetsFan259 (America or Euro?)

North America game
FlyingSaucy
JeffreyGB
taipan168 <- (Recently PMed me saying the America one probably will work better)
courtiebee
<- The 3 above uncategorized responses fit in right here in that order
Fimanoid
Anon.E.Moose
GatorJH

European game
Da GOAT
Pants_101
Pulpstar
TLR

Da GOAT, note TLR is down for the Euro one, per his request via PM. How about we each keep updated lists separately from here out?

I'll need timezone/schedule preference info about this from the following folks.
JeffreyGB
courtiebee
fjuanl
MetsFan259

If this is going to go this coming week (week of the 17th), I can't play because I will be out of town. If it's the week after, I'm good for pretty much any evening. I would prefer something 8 pm EST or later though ... I'm on the west coast, so that's 5 pm my time and still pretty early in the day. If that's not possible, I'll try to work around stuff.

*Last edited by Xianti on Sun, 17 Sep 2006, 3:01pm; edited 1 time in total*

I can set up the games on Stars. They will be regular 10+1 private tourneys.

FlyingSaucy and Da GOAT, PM me when you are ready and have a date/time (in Eastern Time) for each of your respective games (and have assurances from your players that they can participate on said date/time). Once I set up the games, I'll PM you with the password. You'll have to PM each of your players with the password, and MAKE SURE it is not shared.

I'm in North America Wink

Alright yall. Update on scheduling....

So I had PMed everyone who replied that I thought might be able to make it and it turns out over half of you can't make this Friday the 22nd. Doh! Good thing it's not set up yet.

How about this: In order to account for time zones, I've come to the conclusion that the best time of day for the NA sng experiment is 10 PM Eastern. So let's assume it will be at 10 PM Eastern. I'll PM for dates.

*Last edited by FlyingSaucy on Sun, 24 Sep 2006, 5:13pm; edited 1 time in total*

Update on the SnG experiment. I'm checking with Xianti if we can get one set up for Weds the 27th at 10 PM Eastern, PokerStars, $11 buyin.

Confirmed participants for this time/place:
FlyingSaucy
Anon.E.Moose
GatorJH
JeffreyGB
Laeelin
fjuanl
MetsFan259
fimanoid
courtiebee

can i sign up for the european game? I'm GMT.

or is this a little late?

Im running the Euro SNG game.

PM if you want in. just need 1 more player after you.

Thanks to Xianti for hooking us up.

Here's the name to look for under PokerStars' private tourneys:

Name: FTR SnG Experiment: North America
Date/Time: Sep 27 at 22:00 ET
ID: 32371167

I will pm the participants with the password as the time approaches, as well as HH commenting guidelines.

ty again

Still open?

I'm GMT-4
CT, USA
Can I play,I'm switching to SnG's, No moe cash games

Indeed the 1st round of our SnG experiment is full. The confirmed date/time is Weds Sept 27th 10 PM Eastern time. The name is "FTR SnG Experiment: North America" on Stars. The final list of folks:

FlyingSaucy
Anon.E.Moose
GatorJH
JeffreyGB
Laeelin
fjuanl
MetsFan259
fimanoid
courtiebee

If you're not in, feel free to observe. If this works out and everyone cooperates in returning their commented HH's, we could do it again and get a different group of players. There is also a European one going on, coordinated by Da GOAT. If you think the time might work for you, he's still looking for Euro recruits. Search the forum and you can find more info on it.

Reminder - game is on! Tonight, less than 3.5 hours to go! If you're not participating, still feel free to observe.

Good luck in the Tourney tonight everybody! Looking forward to hearing how it goes.

Good luck

playing in a game that you know is full of sharks is -ev. gl! Smile

here's my email and their response

PokerStars Support to me
More options 10:11 pm (0 minutes ago)

Hello xxxxxxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email. I have reviewed this event and the chat and see
you were concerned because two tables were created for 9 players.
Unfortunately 10 players originally registered for the event and one
player unregistered prior to the start. The system setup the event to
accomodate 10 players and not 9.

The tables have been combined and all players are at the same table. We
do apologize for the inconvenience however the software acted as it should
due to the number of original registrants.

Let us know if you require any further assistance.

Regards,

Trent

PokerStars Support Team

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----- Original Message -----
From: fimanoid@gmail.com
Sent: 2006/09/27 22:03:42
To: support@pokerstars.com
Subject: URGENT: tournament 32371167

>Please come to the table - this is private tournament.

Working out as a pretty good game so far, everyone...GJ and GL

np Xianti, thanks for hooking us up anyway. The prob was over with pretty quickly.
Do you know also if there is an option for doing 10 min blinds like a normal 9 player sng instead of 15 tourney blinds?

BTW, for anyone interested, I already commented my history and sent it to fasin8ing, just so that we have a 3rd party to verify that I did not in fact look at your HH before commenting on mine, as that would kind of ruin the result of the experiment.

Oh yea, and congrats to fimanoid.

I am keen for the next round (if there is one planned). any time zone is fine.

ive sent my comments already

Already sent mine in, was pretty card dead the whole tourney, so couldn't really expect much.

I was busy donking chips and money off in the 55k, will review my HH sometime tomorrow.

GG guys, was fun.

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