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Post Posted: Thu, 28 Sep 2006, 2:54am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Thu, 28 Sep 2006, 8:36am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Post Posted: Thu, 28 Sep 2006, 9:04am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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I'll try to do my HH today.

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Post Posted: Thu, 28 Sep 2006, 10:03am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Quick question - should I cut out the chat? There's a lot of it, and it could be distracting, especially since I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be able to use the converter for this since I'll be adding in hole cards for people.
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Post Posted: Thu, 28 Sep 2006, 11:28am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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FlyingSaucy wrote:
Quick question - should I cut out the chat? There's a lot of it, and it could be distracting, especially since I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be able to use the converter for this since I'll be adding in hole cards for people.


ehehe, you didn't like the buttseks comments? or was it my request for a chop?!?!?!
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Post Posted: Thu, 28 Sep 2006, 11:59am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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FlyingSaucy wrote:
Quick question - should I cut out the chat? There's a lot of it, and it could be distracting, especially since I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be able to use the converter for this since I'll be adding in hole cards for people.


Yes, I think you should remove the chat.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 1:35am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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FWIW, I'm throwing my hands up on the PokerXFactor replayer (if you don't have an account, you can get a free one to view the link without having to subscribe). I can try to do the combined history as well, but I don't know if it will show up or not. FS, when you have it, can you email it to me?

My view of the game: http://www.pokerxfactor.com/HH25724/FTRexp
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 3:09am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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whoa, aggrodonk Smile

i knew i was good on the ace high flop. was tempted to raise you with jack high lol
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:43am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Yea. I'll send it after I get the remaining 4 histories. Unfortunately I really doubt it will work, as I've tried to make it more human readable and have already spent an ungodly amount of time on the 5 I have doing mindnumbing cut/paste.

I should have just written a script to handle this but it's out of my programming league, opted for something that looks like this (note placement of hole cards, rather than copying the "Dealt to" lines):


PokerStars Game #6444116836: Tournament #32371167, $10+$1 Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2006/09/27 - 22:00:00 (ET)
Table '32371167 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: courtiebee (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: JGB146 (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: fjuanl (1500 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: caesar66 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: FlyingSaucy (1500 in chips)
JGB146: posts small blind 10
fjuanl: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
caesar66: folds [8d 6h]
FlyingSaucy: folds [3s 8c]
courtiebee: folds
JGB146: raises 40 to 60 [9d Qc]
fjuanl: folds [7s Tc]
JGB146 collected 40 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 40 | Rake 0
Seat 1: courtiebee (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: JGB146 (small blind) collected (40)
Seat 3: fjuanl (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: caesar66 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: FlyingSaucy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 9:49am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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FlyingSaucy wrote:
Unfortunately I really doubt it will work, as I've tried to make it more human readable and have already spent an ungodly amount of time on the 5 I have doing mindnumbing cut/paste.


Hmm...maybe just fwd me the originals when you get all of them and I'll see if there's anyway I can make it work.
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Alright we'll see. Update- Checked my email and I've got all histories but one now. Come on fimanoid. Smile

I think it might be nice to have both human readable one and a scripted one for xfactor (if it works). I'll forward them as I get them. It couldn't hurt to try a single hand first and experiment with various flavors of the combined history to see how xfactor reacts. Much thanks Jeffrey
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 10:31am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Just came across this thread. Brilliant idea, FS; can't wait to read it.

For next one -- or this one if you're having trouble -- how about a wiki? I can set up and host it for ye.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 11:02am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Is this going to be a weekly thing as I'd like to take part in the next one! im in the UK so im GMT.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 12:43pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Random_Hero wrote:
Is this going to be a weekly thing as I'd like to take part in the next one! im in the UK so im GMT.


If we are going to use this as a training/learning tool then I think weekly would be too much. I think we will want to spend at least a couple of weeks reviewing/commenting on the various plays, moves, etc.

I could see this being valuable if we do it say once a quarter, especially if you can get 9 new people for the next one.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 12:45pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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FlyingSaucy wrote:
Alright we'll see. Update- Checked my email and I've got all histories but one now. Come on fimanoid. Smile


Since he won he is probably trying to figure out how many "I am playing so good it hurts" comments he can put into the history.
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FlyingSaucy wrote:
Alright we'll see. Update- Checked my email and I've got all histories but one now. Come on fimanoid. Smile

I think it might be nice to have both human readable one and a scripted one for xfactor (if it works). I'll forward them as I get them. It couldn't hurt to try a single hand first and experiment with various flavors of the combined history to see how xfactor reacts. Much thanks Jeffrey


I'm doing mine right now, almost done Smile Are the quote tags necessary?
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LeFou wrote:
For next one -- or this one if you're having trouble -- how about a wiki? I can set up and host it for ye.


oooooohh... a wiki! Another great idea.

LeFou, maybe you should explain/show what a wiki is for those that may not know.
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GatorJH wrote:
FlyingSaucy wrote:
Alright we'll see. Update- Checked my email and I've got all histories but one now. Come on fimanoid. Smile


Since he won he is probably trying to figure out how many "I am playing so good it hurts" comments he can put into the history.


Actually no. I'm sure that I will be flamed and called a donk for some of my decisions, I'm just trying to explaing my reasoning behind it.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 1:07pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Fimanoid wrote:
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Alright we'll see. Update- Checked my email and I've got all histories but one now. Come on fimanoid. Smile

I think it might be nice to have both human readable one and a scripted one for xfactor (if it works). I'll forward them as I get them. It couldn't hurt to try a single hand first and experiment with various flavors of the combined history to see how xfactor reacts. Much thanks Jeffrey


I'm doing mine right now, almost done Smile Are the quote tags necessary?

Quote tags make it easier for FS. He's spending a huge amount of time on this, so let's make it easier for him.

FS, you're awesome! This is gonna be VERY interesting.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 6:03pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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GatorJH wrote:
Random_Hero wrote:
Is this going to be a weekly thing as I'd like to take part in the next one! im in the UK so im GMT.


If we are going to use this as a training/learning tool then I think weekly would be too much. I think we will want to spend at least a couple of weeks reviewing/commenting on the various plays, moves, etc.

I could see this being valuable if we do it say once a quarter, especially if you can get 9 new people for the next one.


I feel like a chump sitting here manually moving text around, especially since the end result is probably going to be pretty raw-text looking. If we're going to do it quarterly or monthly, it would be really nice to have tools to do the merging. (because right now, I am said tool. Confused ) But I'm most of the way there. I've got courtie's, and Gator's, and buttsek's to merge in still.

BTW, I will have to look over my records, but based on the number of people who already wrote that did not make the game, we might already have a 2nd lineup of all new people waiting for the next one.
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courtiebee wrote:
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FlyingSaucy wrote:
Alright we'll see. Update- Checked my email and I've got all histories but one now. Come on fimanoid. Smile

I think it might be nice to have both human readable one and a scripted one for xfactor (if it works). I'll forward them as I get them. It couldn't hurt to try a single hand first and experiment with various flavors of the combined history to see how xfactor reacts. Much thanks Jeffrey


I'm doing mine right now, almost done Smile Are the quote tags necessary?

Quote tags make it easier for FS. He's spending a huge amount of time on this, so let's make it easier for him.

FS, you're awesome! This is gonna be VERY interesting.


Yea, I think this could easily be much more automated so you don't have to write the quote tags in the future, for now it helps me though. Once I get some time I'll sit down and design and write a good merge script to make it easier to come up with a good looking result.

Also Jeffrey is messing with the histories now to see if we can get it to run in Xfactor's replayer, which would be absolutely sweet but I'm not counting my chickens.
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I got in touch with support at PokerXFactor (and mentioned this would be a good advertising venue Wink). They said that if I emailed them all of the hand histories, they would combine them into a single view for us. I'd imagine we could do this quarterly (maybe even monthly), especially if they see a lot of new visitors.

Once I have all the histories (am I still missing fim's?), I'll get back in touch with them and then I'll post the related link.
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Post Posted: Fri, 29 Sep 2006, 8:56pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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JeffreyGB wrote:
I got in touch with support at PokerXFactor (and mentioned this would be a good advertising venue Wink). They said that if I emailed them all of the hand histories, they would combine them into a single view for us. I'd imagine we could do this quarterly (maybe even monthly), especially if they see a lot of new visitors.

Once I have all the histories (am I still missing fim's?), I'll get back in touch with them and then I'll post the related link.


I just emailed my HH with comments to Saucy.
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Xianti wrote:
LeFou wrote:
For next one -- or this one if you're having trouble -- how about a wiki? I can set up and host it for ye.


oooooohh... a wiki! Another great idea.

LeFou, maybe you should explain/show what a wiki is for those that may not know.


well, what is this? I'm very curios?
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Some ideas for any of these we might do in the future.

1. post "chunks" of hands at a time for commenting so that the comment thread is not as confusing and has more focus.
2. improve readability and automation.
3. Anything else?

Also, last I heard, DaGOAT only needs one more player for the Euro sng. This doesn't mean you need to be from Europe - only that you're willing to play a Stars game that is during a normal Euro time. Check with da GOAT for more info on what time he's thinking of. If you're a night owl it might be a good time for you.

click here for the euro thread
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FlyingSaucy wrote:
Also, last I heard, DaGOAT only needs one more player for the Euro sng. This doesn't mean you need to be from Europe - only that you're willing to play a Stars game that is during a normal Euro time. Check with da GOAT for more info on what time he's thinking of. If you're a night owl it might be a good time for you.

click here for the euro thread

I think it's full with one on the waiting list - I'm the last player who has the pleasure of playing at 6am after a big dinner with some colleagues from South Africa. I'm sure it will be -EV!
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#2 is pretty important i think. we can learn a lot from doing things like this but its really difficult to read 150 hands without it on a replayer or a converted hh. i also think we should do more debating on speculative hands (make everyone's opinion heard) and then decide on the optimal play. maybe make sub-threads for each hand being debated on
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