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Posted: Tue, 20 Oct 2009, 1:47am Post subject: Small and Simple
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 20 Dec 2005
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WPP: 81
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I've been beating up on villain without getting to showdown. He's a pretty normal reg that I haven't noticed doing anything weird other than seeming a little weak-tight in general.
Last hand we played, I flatted his utg (5 handed) raise and bet a low flop after he checked to me. He insta-folded.
game is nl5-10, eff stacks 900$
Villain raises from CO, I flat KQo from btn. We see a flop HU.
Flop (85$) is   
He checks, I bet 60, he calls pretty quickly.
Turn is 
He checks, I check back (I think this is the big question in the hand fwiw)
River (205$) is 
He bets 165 pretty quickly... |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Oct 2009, 11:02am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
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WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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I'd probably bet turn again and easily fold to a c/r.
You wanna shove river or what? I'd just fold, don't think he's bluffing and don't think he's vbetting worse. |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Oct 2009, 11:18am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 15 Jun 2005
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Location: over there
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I think his turn range is either hands we beat but are folding to a bet (Tx) or hands that beat us (most Qx +) so I like the check.
I fold the river because same reasons as Alexos. |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Oct 2009, 11:33am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Montreal
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| Irisheyes wrote: | I think his turn range is either hands we beat but are folding to a bet (Tx) or hands that beat us (most Qx +) so I like the check.
I fold the river because same reasons as Alexos. |
There's also plenty of worse pair + draw hands. Vs a predictable weak-tight opponent, you don't lose much by betting here. It's not like he'll be more likely to call Tx if you check turn, bet river. |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Oct 2009, 11:50am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
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Location: Toronto'ish
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I don't mind the turn check, feel like that card is pretty brutal. I think a lot of his two pair hands might even c/c that turn, so its not like you can confidently go for a third street of value here anyhow.
River is a fold though, you don't really beat anything. |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Oct 2009, 1:20pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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Location: Montreal
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I don't want to go for three streets necessarily, just get value from T8,T9,Q9,KT etc. If he doesn't c/r turn with two pair that's even better! Bet like 110$.
Nothing wrong with a check either and it's probably my std play vs most. |
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Posted: Tue, 20 Oct 2009, 3:47pm Post subject:
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HABITUAL LINE-STEPPER
Joined: 14 Jan 2006
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Location: Atlanta, GA, USA
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| betting turn makes this hand so much easier to play and more +ev |
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Posted: Wed, 21 Oct 2009, 7:14am Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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| calling range when we bet is wider than betting range when we check imo |
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Posted: Wed, 21 Oct 2009, 10:16am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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Location: Montreal, Canada
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| IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | calling range when we bet is wider than betting range when we check imo |
not sure i understand this...his calling range of a turn bet is wider than his river betting range if we check? not saying i disagree either but wanted to make sure that's what you meant.
I think i check the turn as well and tank a river..it's a fold but i always wanna call and hope he has some weird AJ or q9s type hand. |
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Posted: Thu, 22 Oct 2009, 3:49am Post subject:
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One Pair
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| I like turn check. River std fold imo. |
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Posted: Fri, 30 Oct 2009, 4:47pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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Posted: Fri, 30 Oct 2009, 6:28pm Post subject:
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Almost as bad as that idiot redgrape
Joined: 29 Oct 2004
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| Ravageur wrote: | | IowaSkinsFan wrote: | | calling range when we bet is wider than betting range when we check imo |
not sure i understand this...his calling range of a turn bet is wider than his river betting range if we check? not saying i disagree either but wanted to make sure that's what you meant.
I think i check the turn as well and tank a river..it's a fold but i always wanna call and hope he has some weird AJ or q9s type hand. |
Yeah it shouldnt make sense i guess i thought we were oop lol |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Oct 2009, 12:11am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
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i folded fwiw so no interesting results  |
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Posted: Sat, 31 Oct 2009, 7:29pm Post subject:
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midstakes donk
Joined: 08 Sep 2005
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Location: flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
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| pocketfours wrote: | | I like turn check. River std fold imo. | |
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