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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 11:35am Post subject: slow play AA KK
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3-of-a-Kind
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Thought that might get your attention! Let me be a little more specific. My question regards short handed play. I have played in 200+ sngs and find when it gets to 4 or less and i am delt aa kk qq ... the majority of the time if I make any type of raise most of the time all i win are the blinds. Would it be more advantageous to just call (assuming you are bb) and then hope they hit top or mid pair. I know I know you are risking them hitting something big but over the long run I would imagine getting good return on busting people with top to mid pair because they think they have you beat because you have not shown strength. Thoughts.
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 11:47am Post subject: never slow play these!!!
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Straight
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| AA, KK, QQ are not slowplaying hands, all you have is a pair, its a big pair but its not worth it. Any two cards can crack that. Make your opps pay, never let them get off cheap. Even if you dont make a huge amount on these hands i would rather take the blinds then loose half of my stack. Try making a smaller raise instead of 4 or 5xBB try a 2 or 3 see how that works. |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 2:09pm Post subject: Re: never slow play these!!!
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One Pair
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| Mony B wrote: | | AA, KK, QQ are not slowplaying hands, all you have is a pair, its a big pair but its not worth it. Any two cards can crack that. Make your opps pay, never let them get off cheap. Even if you dont make a huge amount on these hands i would rather take the blinds then loose half of my stack. Try making a smaller raise instead of 4 or 5xBB try a 2 or 3 see how that works. |
AA(ONLY), lateposition or middle with a manic before you
If there is a manic or 2 on the table, let them raise for you and just call 
...let him(hopefully the remaning manic) raise agin on the flop and just call  ... call on turn... reraise a lot on river, If necessary go all in!
1/20 of the times your opponent will get 2 pair.
With another pair he will win with three of a kind 1/8 of the times.
DANGER! Dont call on the flop if there is a flash- or a strightdraw out. If, re-raise with a nice over bet. DANGER!
/IMO
Sorry my bad english! |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 2:46pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| Quote: | | I am willing to loose every singel chip with AA. |
You might want to reevaluate this statement. AA is not worth every chip, in fact no hand is worth every chip, The goal is to bet when you have the best of it, yes AA does most of the time have the best of it, but not always and should be played like any other hand, with thought and consideration on what you are playing against. |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 3:44pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| Radashack wrote: | | Quote: | | I am willing to loose every singel chip with AA. |
You might want to reevaluate this statement. AA is not worth every chip, in fact no hand is worth every chip, The goal is to bet when you have the best of it, yes AA does most of the time have the best of it, but not always and should be played like any other hand, with thought and consideration on what you are playing against. |
Precisiely...Had AA last night (both black aces) - raised pretty big pre-flop. 1 caller - Flop comes all diamonds. I stab at it again and get re-raised AI. Easy fold....painful and disappointing, but easy fold none the less. I knew I was beat - I was just grateful he didn't slow play it any take more from me. I lost about $12 - I could have lost $45. |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 4:37pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| Radashack wrote: | | Quote: | | I am willing to loose every singel chip with AA. |
You might want to reevaluate this statement. AA is not worth every chip, in fact no hand is worth every chip, The goal is to bet when you have the best of it, yes AA does most of the time have the best of it, but not always and should be played like any other hand, with thought and consideration on what you are playing against. |
"I am willing to loose every singel chip with AA." No, thats right I am not.
I have a question for you, how would you treat this flop:
(you have AA)
5,7,Q rainbow and you opponent goes all in?
I would call! |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 4:39pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
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Who is the opponent? Is he a maniac? Is he a freaking rock? What was the action?
The answer to how i would treat that flop with AA is: depends.
-'rilla |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 4:49pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| a500lbgorilla wrote: | Who is the opponent? Is he a maniac? Is he a freaking rock? What was the action?
The answer to how i would treat that flop with AA is: depends.
-'rilla |
You know what, with a flop like this: 5,7,Q rainbow it dosent matter . Should i be sceard of AQ? If he has a pair of queens wich will make him three of a kind then i will lose my chips. I dont think I am wrong... but tell me if |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 4:56pm Post subject:
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LAME HUMOR THAT MAKES FISH LAUGH
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| Pokerhajen wrote: | | a500lbgorilla wrote: | Who is the opponent? Is he a maniac? Is he a freaking rock? What was the action?
The answer to how i would treat that flop with AA is: depends.
-'rilla |
You know what, with a flop like this: 5,7,Q rainbow it dosent matter . Should i be sceard of AQ? If he has a pair of queens wich will make him three of a kind then i will lose my chips. I dont think I am wrong... but tell me if |
You're scenario is completely out of the blue though. Why would AQ push on that flop with no action?
What would you do if the flop come QQ9 and it was an immediate allin?
Why can trade back and forth on these pretend scenarios all day but I just don't think its a likely happening that the flop drops 5 7 Q and the first guy to act pushes. Becuase if he's pushing with AQ he's only getting called by better hands and if he's pushing with 55, 77, QQ, Q7 he's scaring away all the potential customers.
-'rilla |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 5:29pm Post subject:
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Full House
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| I don't think you can really justify what decision to make based solely on the flop. A read on the player is really important. On the lower limit talbes people go all in with nothing because they think they'll scare you off. Who knows. I don't see most players just randomly pushing all in like that and if he did I'd be scared because while you have top pair, you're easily beaten as you said by 3 of a kind and two pair. AA is a great hand but it's far from invincible. |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 5:32pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 5:32pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 5:32pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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"How could AQ push on a flop with no action?" hahaha... you know what? ... this is funny, It is a real situation! I had AA the flop came 5,7,Q, my opponent goes all-in and I call(ofcourse). He´s hand: 7J
Aginst a tight player a flop like:QQ9 is a clear fold! If a manic moves all in...huumm... that depends on his stacksize. If I am big, with 10k and he 2,5k I would call. Becuase the manic could be very desperat. If he is big, mabey I would fold. It also depends on reads... hard to say |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 5:34pm Post subject:
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Full House
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Preflop, I try to get 1 or 2 callers, preferrably just 1 if its late in a tournament. I don't want all 4 people seeing the flop. Do whatever you think is best to attain this. It depends on your position and the agressiveness of the opponents.
Post-flop, I want to take down the pot on the flop or the turn. |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 5:48pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| bigred wrote: | | I don't think you can really justify what decision to make based solely on the flop. A read on the player is really important. On the lower limit talbes people go all in with nothing because they think they'll scare you off. Who knows. I don't see most players just randomly pushing all in like that and if he did I'd be scared because while you have top pair, you're easily beaten as you said by 3 of a kind and two pair. AA is a great hand but it's far from invincible. |
You are right its importent to have reads ... I dident say "you're easily beaten by 3 of a kind and two pair" its hard to get 2 pairs, 5% of the time. Three of a kind, if you dont have a good read on your opponent there is impossible to know... |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 5:51pm Post subject:
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One Pair
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| johnnyawe wrote: | Preflop, I try to get 1 or 2 callers, preferrably just 1 if its late in a tournament. I don't want all 4 people seeing the flop. Do whatever you think is best to attain this. It depends on your position and the agressiveness of the opponents.
Post-flop, I want to take down the pot on the flop or the turn. |
Thats right!? |
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Posted: Thu, 18 Nov 2004, 7:13pm Post subject:
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Flush
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| Quote: | "How could AQ push on a flop with no action?" hahaha... you know what? ... this is funny, It is a real situation! I had AA the flop came 5,7,
Q, my opponent goes all-in and I call(ofcourse). He´s hand: 7J |
you missed the whole point |
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