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Posted: Thu, 07 Apr 2005, 12:27am Post subject: showing your hand before calling
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Straight
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Posts: 170
WPP: 92
Location: The Dude Abides
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i have a question. in tournament play, if a player goes all in, and the rest of the table folds, and it is down to one, is it ok, by the rules, for the player contemplating a call to show his hand to try and get a reaction from the raiser? i saw this on some hollywood hold em game on E!.
i ran into a similar situation the next night at my regular home game. i had Q4o in the hole with a Q and a 4 out and another player went all in. there was a flush draw on the board and i really wanted to show this guy, who was kind of emotional, my hand and try and get a read if he wanted me to call because he had the flush or fold because all he had was top pair Aces. i laid it down, but can't help but think if i knew for sure this was legal and did it, i would have taken it down. anyone know? |
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Posted: Thu, 07 Apr 2005, 4:37am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 09 Mar 2005
Posts: 622
WPP: 103
Location: Brighton, UK
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| One of my friends did this, it is terrible etiquette and you are actually mucking your hand when you flip your cards before having called. Dont even think about it, just fold and show him your 2-pair lay for a reaction once the hands over! |
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Posted: Thu, 07 Apr 2005, 5:08am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| JonDoe wrote: | | One of my friends did this, it is terrible etiquette and you are actually mucking your hand when you flip your cards before having called. Dont even think about it, just fold and show him your 2-pair lay for a reaction once the hands over! |
I agree that it is terrible etiquette; however, in most tournaments (and cash games, for that matter) it is perfectly legal provided it is heads up. I have seen more and more rooms outlawing it, but I can't find any reference against it in Robert's other than:
| Quote: | | “a card that is flashed by a player will play.” |
That seems aimed at accidents, but could be interpreted as a legal form of angling as well. |
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Posted: Thu, 07 Apr 2005, 8:25am Post subject:
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Flush
Joined: 24 Nov 2004
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I was watching the Party Poker Open Final (something like that) on The Score (in Canada) and this exact situation happened.
One player went all-in with one other player left. The other guy thought awhile then exposed his cards and began to contemplate some more.
The tournament judge stepped up to the table and forced the player who exposed his cards to muck them because it was not a legal move. |
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Posted: Mon, 11 Apr 2005, 12:03pm Post subject:
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Two Pair
Joined: 31 Mar 2005
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Location: Massachusetts
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| I saw the exact opposite thing happen in one of the Celebtriy Showdowns. Dennis Rodman mucked his cards into the middle of the table face down without saying anything and when they grabbed his cards and started shuffling he flipped out and stormed off set because he said he was calling the bet. It was so stupid because he absolutely no hand or draw and he was beat bad. |
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Posted: Mon, 11 Apr 2005, 12:10pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 21 Jan 2005
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Dennis Rodman mucked his cards into the middle of the table face down without saying anything and when they grabbed his cards and started shuffling he flipped out and stormed off set because he said he was calling the bet. It was so stupid because he absolutely no hand or draw and he was beat bad.
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Yeah, I saw that one.. You must admit... He had 35o beat!!
He is one of the few people i'd be happy to play against at almost any stakes... Time to morgage my house! (well, almost anyway) .. Bottom pair is good for calling an all in. |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Jul 2005, 9:12am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 124
WPP: 126
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| It is definitely illegal to flip your cards up in a heads up situation, or any other situation. In my home games we are aware of this but when it is a heads up all in decision we allow the player to flip their cards. |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Jul 2005, 10:28am Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 01 Jun 2004
Posts: 1277
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Location: Drowning in prosperity
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From Robert's rules of poker (Tournament section):
| Quote: | | 21. Showing cards from a live hand during the action injures the rights of other players still competing in an event, who wish to see contestants eliminated. A player may not show any cards during a deal (unless the event has only two remaining players). If a player deliberately shows a card, the player may be penalized (but his hand will not be ruled dead). Verbally stating one’s hand during the play may be penalized. | |
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