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AFchung
Post Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 10:21pm    Post subject: Shipping flop with combo draw Reply with quote
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Villain is unknown

Looking back on this hand, my shove on the flop makes my hand scream ihasadraw. Is there a better bet size than shoving here?

Also, do people play JJ+ this way? I had trouble putting a range into pokerstove because if we put in overpairs then my equity is a bit better

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saw flop

MP3 ($26.45)
Hero (CO) ($50)
Button ($50)
SB ($29.65)
BB ($109.90)
UTG ($59.80)
UTG+1 ($79.70)
MP1 ($47.25)
MP2 ($50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, A
5 folds, Hero bets $1.50, Button calls $1.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($3.75) 3, 10, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, Button raises to $7, Hero raises to $48.50 (All-In), Button calls $41.50 (All-In)

Turn: ($100.75) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($100.75) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $100.75 | Rake: $3
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bigspenda73
Post Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 10:26pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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pretty awful way to get the range you crush to call
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AFchung
Post Posted: Mon, 29 Jun 2009, 10:31pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bigspenda73 wrote:
pretty awful way to get the range you crush to call


1) what bet size would be optimal then? 2.5x his raise?
2) if he flats and turn comes a brick, what's our play?
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badgers
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 12:47am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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this is nowhere near horrible since villain is unknown so we can have fold equity/ domination of worst FDs etc.etc. oop this is a pretty crappy spot and I can't see what else to do since as you rightly point out, raisign smaller can make some turns super tough to play.
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iopq
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 2:38am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bigspenda73 wrote:
pretty awful way to get the range you crush to call
do you think we can induce a shove from a worse flush draw by threebetting flop to like $18?
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Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 4:17am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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well at the very least we give them the option, I told chung I'd make it $17.50
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AFchung
Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 4:57am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bigspenda73 wrote:
well at the very least we give them the option, I told chung I'd make it $17.50


oh so you were suspenders haha. i was like wth what a silly name who is this guy
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Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 10:17am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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AFchung wrote:
bigspenda73 wrote:
well at the very least we give them the option, I told chung I'd make it $17.50


oh so you were suspenders haha. i was like wth what a silly name who is this guy
He's e-fraid of spoons woman, {acronym Renton hates}.
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Post Posted: Tue, 30 Jun 2009, 2:51pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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it's my pet name, I use it when I'm feeling frisky
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