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Posted: Wed, 09 Jan 2008, 2:58pm Post subject: Road to 100k: stop spewing! (COMPLETE!!)
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Hey guys,
So I'm writing this operation after my biggest losing day ever yesterday. Essentially a large part of the disaster occurred because a fish.. or an apparent fish.. was playing 25/50 and I decided to "take a shot".
Here are a couple hands against this fish. The reads were that he was running 60/16ish, and check min-raising pretty often... and a lot of the times he was showing up with the nuts etc. He was also calling down a lot, with bottom/mid/top pairs.
Hand 1:
-this hand is weird, and I'm not sure if this river is a call or not
-I found it odd that he'd push that scary straight card... I guess he could have the straight himself..
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with  
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $250, 2 folds, UTG calls.
Flop:    ($575, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $400, UTG calls.
Turn:  ($1375, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $700, UTG raises to $1400, Hero calls.
River:  ($4175, 2 players)
UTG bets $6950, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $6950 returned to UTG.
Results:
Final pot: $4175
Hand 2:
-I probably should have folded this turn if i wasn't gonna go with it
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with  
UTG folds, Hero raises to $160, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop:   ($530, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks.
Turn:  ($530, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $390, CO folds, SB raises to $780, Hero calls.
River: ($2090, 2 players)
SB bets $1150, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $1150 returned to SB.
Results:
Final pot: $2090
These were a couple lay downs I made. A few bad bluffs at 25/50, and a few coolers at 10/20 later.. I was on my way to a -12k hit!
So the goal of this operation thread is for me to get my act together. Without a doubt my biggest leak is spewing/bluffing stupidly in dumb spots ... especially dumb spots with no fold equity. So I plan on maybe posting some hands here, and some spews as well, and maybe get some feedback on how bad they truly are.
Also, no more "taking shots" for me.. cause I just didn't play my A game with scared money.
Here goes my road to 100k! starting BR: 57k |
Last edited by griffey24 on Wed, 21 Jan 2009, 10:37pm; edited 1 time in total
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jan 2008, 4:11pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 3547
WPP: 101
Location: The Grind
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jan 2008, 4:13pm Post subject:
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Full House
Joined: 17 Nov 2006
Posts: 1239
WPP: 140
Location: working on midpairs
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how fucking awesome that you can say you played 5kNL, had a bad day, and still have a 60k roll!
you will reach 100k for sure. |
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Posted: Wed, 09 Jan 2008, 6:51pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Thanks for the encouragement guys!
Another crappy session today, though I don't think I played that badly. Down 5k though, the downswing continues!
bankroll ~ 52k (hopefully I stop going AWAY from 100k, and start going towards it!)
These hands are all in pounds, so its actually twice as painful!
******* Hand 1 ********
-this one is probably the most unnecessary one, cause he's a nit and I should know better
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with  
3 folds, SB raises to $30, Hero calls.
Flop:   ($60, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $38, SB calls.
Turn:  ($136, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $120, SB raises to $375, Hero raises all-in $993.5, SB calls.
River:  ($2123, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2123)
Results:
Final pot: $2123
Hero shows Qh Th
SB shows 3s 3h for three of a kind 3's
******* Hand 2 ********
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with  
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $40, CO folds, Button calls, Hero raises to $170, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Button folds.
Flop:   ($390, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $250, Hero raises all-in $1210, UTG+1 calls all-in $488.25.
Uncalled bets: $471.75 returned to Hero.
Turn:  ($1866.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1866.5)
River:  ($1866.5, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1866.5)
Results:
Final pot: $1866.5
Results:
Final pot: $2123
villain WINS and shows 7d 6d for straight flush
******* Hand 3 ********
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
4 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with 
2 folds, SB raises to $20, Hero calls.
Flop:  ($40, 2 players)
SB bets $31, Hero calls.
Turn: ($102, 2 players)
SB bets $88, Hero raises to $214, SB calls.
River:  ($530, 2 players)
SB bets $315, Hero raises all-in $743.55, SB calls all-in $307.75.
Uncalled bets: $120.8 returned to Hero.
Results:
Final pot: $1775.5
Hero shows 3d 3h for full house
SB WINS and shows 4s 4h for full house
******* Hand 4 ********
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with  
UTG folds, CO raises to $15, Button folds, Hero raises to $60, BB folds, CO calls.
Flop:    ($125, 2 players)
Hero bets $90, CO raises to $220, Hero raises all-in $598, CO calls all-in $218.
Uncalled bets: $160 returned to Hero.
Turn: ($1001, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1001)
River: ($1001, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1001)
Results:
Final pot: $1001
villain WINS and shows Jc 9c for straight flush |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jan 2008, 9:51am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Well my downswing continued all the way down to a roll of 48.7k.
But finally a good day yesterday, +4.5k and my roll is at 53ishk now. Good to finally be back in the green for a session, and good to hit sets!
Alexos and I have a prob bet, first to 100k as some of you may have seen in his blog, and its back to being close again so it should be a good race. Good luck man!
Hopefully we both start going UP instead of DOWN  |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jan 2008, 11:09am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 4170
WPP: 77
Location: Dublin
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| Dude u have almost 1K posts and I dont know you. Poker History Bio plz |
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Posted: Thu, 17 Jan 2008, 11:56pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| Da GOAT wrote: | | Dude u have almost 1K posts and I dont know you. Poker History Bio plz |
Haha.. yah I guess I more or less fly under the radar on here.. but I guess I could give a little history bio for ya (and for anyone else who cares  )
Sooo I guess I joined InterPoker in August of 2006.. so about 1.5 yrs ago. I deposited $150 and got a $100 sign up Bonus and started playing 25NL (yah.. reasonably bad BR management ) But luckily I made my way up pretty quick and withdrew the $150 I deposited so I would only be playing with winnings.
I started playing 50NL pretty quickly, like 3ish weeks later with more moderately bad BR management (~15 buyins). I kept up at 50NL for the next 2-3ish months working my BR up to $2-3k with bonuses and Rakeback (Rakeback is a loveeeeely thing!). I took shots at 100NL during this time and at the time found this to be the hardest jump I had to make. It took me several attempts to make the jump to 50NL and I only finally moved up to 100NL after my third or so try, in my fourth month of playing.
After every session since I had started playing, I would write my end of day bankroll in an excel spreadsheet and write notes from that day, or anything that I learned that I thought was important. here is a sample from some of my end of date lessons/notes to myself:
"50NL, Tight out of blinds, and tight OOP. Don't call raises with suited connectors OOP from raiser. DON’T crazy raise/push against someone that has shown strength, without a strong hand! They never fold and everytime I lose money its on bluffs! "
"Don't stack off with tpgk in an unraised pot. They can have anything, and not worth it. If you get raised, respect."
"-lead into PF raiser if OOP and you think you have him, instead of check raising and building huge pot. Respect re-raises out of blinds!.. Esp if you haven't been raising them lots. If you re-raise and bet HARD on missed flop and get called, shutdown."
"LEARN TO FOLD to aggression, without a read. Stop needing to see the cards, when you know you're beat! "
I won't say that these are necessarily all good words of wisdom or even good advice, but at the time and at the time at these limits, this is the kind of thing I was telling myself at the end of each session.
Some of these things I've been trying to grill into my head from 50NL I still tell myself on a regular basis. Especially that last one.
I played 100NL for about 3-4 months and worked my roll up to about 5.5k and started taking shots at 200NL. A couple notes I took during that time:
"OMG.. Stop being an idiot.. And learn to fold top pair to ANY resistance, without reads! Lost almost ALL my stacks with ONLY top pair"
"-if you re-raise in blinds and fire a big bullet on flop that gets called, shutdown"
I feel like after I finally got over the hump to 100NL, things started going pretty smoothly. 2-3 months into 200NL I moved up to 400NL/500NL with a roll of about 10k. A few more notes:
"200NL: if someone re-raising you lots, only need to steal one of their re-raises every four times to break even. So don't 4-bet to 75 with nonsense, wait till you have strong ace at least"
"SPEWING too much with overs in 3-bet pots in position. Call 3-bets tighter… don't assume its all air. Flop position raise/push needs to work VERY often to be worthwhile/profitable."
Moved up from 500NL to 1kNL after about 1.5months and a roll of about 22k and been playing a mix of 2/5, 5/10 and some 10/20 ever since, with a current roll of about 53k.
So yah... I guess thats more or less my poker history/bio, hope that wasn't too boring!
In terms of other details, well I'm living in Toronto at the moment (or a suburb at least), and I'm a grad student at the university of Toronto. So the extra poker cash doesn't hurt (though I haven't withdrawn anything yet, since I'm still unclear as to what the poker taxing situation is here in Canada).
So yah..thats my story
And as my operation states, the current goal is getting the BR up to 100k |
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Posted: Fri, 18 Jan 2008, 6:59am Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 4170
WPP: 77
Location: Dublin
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Posted: Sat, 19 Jan 2008, 9:06pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Finally got my act together the last few days. Up around 13k the last three days so thats pretty sweet. BR is now at 61k
Really, the key to me doing well always comes down to minimizing the amount I bluff. When I don't bluff a lot.. I do well. .and when I do.. I don't. Sometimes I think its really that simple.
A few big hands:
Hand 1)
-This hand was dumb, not sure why I felt the need to turn my hand into a bluff here. I thought he could fold a better J or an overpair,but I shoulda probably just checked through the river
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $1000
UTG+1: $920
Hero: $2284.50
Button: $521.18
SB: $970
BB: $1256
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 
UTG raises to $35, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, 2 folds, BB calls.
Flop:  ($110, 3 players)
BB bets $110, UTG folds, Hero calls.
Turn: ($330, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $234, BB calls.
River: ($798, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $877
Hand 2:
-this hand was 2/5 pounds and it severely sucked. The second I saw that K I knew there was a very good chance he filled up since I put him on an overpair. But still.. gotta bet obviously
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $438.90
UTG+1: $353.18
CO: $1470.25
Button: $702.72
SB: $94
Hero: $686.90
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with
2 folds, CO raises to $10, 2 folds, Hero raises to $50, CO calls.
Flop:   ($102, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $45, Hero calls.
Turn:  ($192, 2 players)
Hero bets $138, CO calls.
River:  ($468, 2 players)
Hero bets $320, CO raises to $640, Hero calls all-in $133.9.
Uncalled bets: $186.1 returned to CO.
Results:
Final pot: $1375.8
CO shows Kd Kc
Hero shows Js Jd
Hand 3:
-this hand was pretty deep (200bb's) ... whats the point of playing deep if you're not gonna take advantage of the extra fold equity?!
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $995
UTG+1: $1240
CO: $2879.21
Button: $729.53
Hero: $2002.75
BB: $1341
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with
2 folds, CO raises to $40, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.
Flop:  ($90, 2 players)
Hero bets $58, CO raises to $120, Hero calls.
Turn: ($330, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $250, Hero raises to $600, CO calls.
River: ($1530, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $1242.75, CO folds. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jan 2008, 12:25pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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I had been running good/playing well up till yesterday. I had gotten my bankroll up to 66k and thought I'd give 10/20 another shot.
After yesterday I am conluding that I can't beat games higher than $1kNL for the life of me!
This month:
Games higher than 1knl:
5000NL - down 7.5k
2000NL - down 9k
1000NL pounds (2000NL) - down 7k
1knl:
1000NL - up 10kish
500NL pounds (1000NL) - up 9kish
NET month: down 4kish
I haven't really figured out why I can beat 1knl but can't beat 2knl. I dont really see much difference yet, other than perhaps more regs. I think I could just be running bad and also handling the aggression poorly with more pushing/bluffing than necessary. (my sample size is reeally small though.. only like 5k hands total at all levels greater than 1knl)
Any thoughts on the difference between 1knl and 2knl would be appreciated!
I'll post some hands soon.
So I lost like almost 6k yesterday in only 500 hands... sweeeet.
current BR: 60k |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jan 2008, 2:16pm Post subject: GL
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Full House
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 651
WPP: 134
Location: Leaf Nation
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Good luck dude...
It says your from Toronto'ish.
Where exactly are you??
I'm near Niagara Falls and Buffalo. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jan 2008, 3:17pm Post subject: Re: GL
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| wesrman wrote: | Good luck dude...
It says your from Toronto'ish.
Where exactly are you??
I'm near Niagara Falls and Buffalo. |
Hey man, thanks for the good luck.
I'm from Thornhill, its a suburb just north of Toronto.
I go to fallsview from time to time though. You play there ever? I like it better than casino rama cause they let you call an hour in advance to get on waiting list.. while you're driving there... but the rake kinda sucks. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jan 2008, 4:11pm Post subject: ...
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Full House
Joined: 13 Dec 2007
Posts: 651
WPP: 134
Location: Leaf Nation
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| no, havent played there yet but i plan to in the future. |
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Posted: Thu, 24 Jan 2008, 4:29pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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griffey wtf stop losing...it gives me false hope that i still have a shot and forces me to keep on playing:)
probably bad luck though, its like me and 1knl...or maybe u bluff too much? |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jan 2008, 12:21am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| Alexos wrote: | griffey wtf stop losing...it gives me false hope that i still have a shot and forces me to keep on playing:)
probably bad luck though, its like me and 1knl...or maybe u bluff too much? |
haha... false hope is good.. keeps the contest nice and tight
Turned things around though, and finally up for the month.
up 2k for the month, and current BR: 67k |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jan 2008, 12:30am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Now that the month is coming to a close, I decided to post some stats over the last few months. These are all my stats of 500NL and 1knl since Oct 1st.
Samplesize is too small for levels above 1knl at the moment.. and also.. they just suck lol
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jan 2008, 2:04pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 22 Apr 2005
Posts: 3173
WPP: 88
Location: Putney, UK; Full Tilt,Mansion; $50 NL and PL; $13 and $16 SNGs at Stars
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| Remember to add $26,000 to that figure because of the exchange rate! |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jan 2008, 3:12pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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already factored in imo:(
go pound though! |
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Posted: Mon, 28 Jan 2008, 4:02pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| Alexos wrote: | already factored in imo:(
go pound though! |
How will the pound help us if our account is in USD? Did you switch your account to british pound, Alexos?
| biondino wrote: | | Remember to add $26,000 to that figure because of the exchange rate! |
subtract $26,000 if I find out I need to pay taxes on this scene..?... 
by the way, if anyone knows the actual tax laws on poker income in Canada, I'd love to hear it. I've heard many mixed ideas.. some saying we're not taxed.. others saying you're not taxed on gambling if its unexpectd winnings (ie: winning one tourney for $60k) but IS taxed if its expected winnings (ie: winning 60k over several months of consistent cash games) kinda thing.
I'm still not sure what I'll do, but I guess I gotta figure that out soon. |
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Posted: Tue, 29 Jan 2008, 12:22pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Had a crappy session yesterday, down $8.5k. Also got in a few tough spots (posted them in short handed section) that I wasn't sure about on the river.
In general over the last few days I'm really noticing that I need to be able to make river laydowns. I'm losing a ton of money making river calls getting 2:1 and convincing myself I have pot odds yada yada... I gotta stop doing that.
Pot odds shmot odds.. sometimes ppl just aren't bluffing in certain spots.
spots like this.. I'm not sure if this should be a river fold or a "pot odds call".. but I really have no idea what he has here, and I have no reads on the guy. I'm also not sure if c/c is best on rivers cause draws dont get there, or bet cause a good J might call.
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $10/$20
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $2665
CO: $1960
Hero: $2027
SB: $4291
BB: $2565
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with
2 folds, Hero raises to $80, SB calls, BB folds.
Flop: ($180, 2 players)
Hero bets $132, SB calls.
Turn:  ($444, 2 players)
Hero bets $330, SB calls.
River: ($1104, 2 players)
Hero bets $700, SB raises all-in $3749, Hero ??. |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 9:44am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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My question of the day is: When do you make a stand against an unknown?
I had a session last night where I got into spots where the same people were 3-betting me in the same exact situations several times in a row. For example on one table, I happened to get hands on CO two times in a row.. and each time I raised the guy in the BB 3-bet me (unknown player).
Similar thing happened on another table when I was UTG+1 vs BB.
I quickly realized that my threshold for putting up with this is VERY low. As in, the second time that BB player 3-bet me in a row, I 4-bet A9o in position and stacked off. Then a later hand when it happened again, I floated and ended up stacking off too light again.
I guess the question is: how many times do you let an unknown get away with this, before taking a stand?
And further, which each successive time they 3-bet you, they know you're getting frustrated. So does this mean that we should be assuming their range is getting narrower or wider?
As a result of stacking off light, ended up down 3k yesterday and current BR: 61.3k. Not getting closer to this 100k goal.. thats for sure! |
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Posted: Wed, 06 Feb 2008, 12:35pm Post subject:
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Straight Flush
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 4170
WPP: 77
Location: Dublin
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| id tend to let the first 2 times go at least since he can easily have a hand. just keep an eye on him, if he does bunch within a few orbits then try assign a range. |
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Posted: Fri, 08 Feb 2008, 12:12am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Today was a sick session... I was owning it up 5k and then I had a disaster 3 hands in the span of 5minutes... -6k in 5mins = severe ownage.
hand 1:
-this hand is 5/10 pounds, to $2k buyin
-I was playin this table cause Button was a big fish, but it was probably a dumb idea cause BB is a solid player and one of the better higher stakes players on my site
-he had been 3-betting a ton, so I had to call one of these hands, esp given it was 3handed
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
3 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Button: $1718.98
Hero: $1414
BB: $2211.80
Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is SB with
Button folds, Hero raises to $40, BB raises to $140, Hero calls.
Flop:  ($280, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $180, Hero raises to $540, BB raises all-in $2071.8, Hero calls all-in $734.
Uncalled bets: $797.8 returned to BB.
Turn: ($2828, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $2828)
River: ($2828, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $2828)
Results:
Final pot: $2828
BB shows
Hand 2:
The VERY next hand I played at 5/10 pounds
-villain same as previous hand
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
3 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Button: $3648.80
SB: $1693.98
Hero: $1000
Pre-flop: (3 players) Hero is BB with
Button raises to $40, SB folds, Hero raises to $135, Button raises to $330, Hero raises all-in $1000, Button calls.
Flop:   ($2005, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2005)
Turn:  ($2005, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2005)
River: ($2005, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2005)
Results:
Final pot: $2005
Hero shows
Button shows
Hand 3
-I don't know if I played this one poorly or not. Something can be said for raising the flop lead of $90, but I felt like if I called it would induce a squeeze/bluff raise from someone behind me
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $367.02
Hero: $974.50
CO: $1825.75
Button: $1040
SB: $665
BB: $4234.75
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with
UTG calls, Hero raises to $50, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls.
Flop:  ($210, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $90, Hero calls, Button raises to $350, 2 folds, Hero raises all-in $924.5, Button calls.
Turn:  ($2149, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2149)
River: ($2149, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $2149)
Results:
Final pot: $2149
Hero shows
Button shows and wins with a straight ten high
Feel free to comment on the lines in any of these hands.. I really can't seem to catch a break at the moment.. hopefully things turn around.
BR: 61.7k |
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Posted: Fri, 08 Feb 2008, 1:51pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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I am currently riding a quality 46k hand break-even streak... and it sucksss
I guess its better than a 46k hand downswing! |
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Posted: Tue, 12 Feb 2008, 9:17am Post subject:
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WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Looks like this operation was the death of my bankroll progress! My roll is back where I started this thread almost, 58kish.
I'm running pretty bad lately, not in terms of bad beats, but in terms of getting into coolers over and over. The most annoying part is that my coolers always seem to happen at either higher stakes ($2knl) or at 200bb's at 1knl. There's nothing more annoying than having a losing day... and grinding and grinding your way back to almost even and then losing a huge 200bb cooler to screw up all that progress
The only good thing about a looooong downswing/breakeven streak (going on a month and a half now) is that it forces you to re-evaluate things.
I definitely have some leaks I need to fix:
- I am raising suited hands and suited connectors too much in EP
-I am 3 betting MP/LP raisers with suited connectors too much in the blinds, against players who's ranges are too tight to warrant it or too aggressive and will give me headaches on too many flops.
-I raise a lot of flops and when I get called I assume they have a really strong hand and get into pot control mode and don't fire enough turns again. Instead giving free cards to their draws.
-I call raises with too many speculative hands (suited one gappers etc) when implied odds probably don't warrant it
probably my worst leak:
-my fold button is broken. I don't fold nearly enough. Instead I decide to play the hand in a way that will "get me to showdown the cheapest" and at the same time "make worse hands than mine pay me the most" ... translation: "check call mode and let them bluff" when check/fold is probably way +EV
New Goal:
-Just fold more. Fold more preflop OOP, fold more postflop to aggression and fold more postflop when I think I'm beat
-get my 'went to show down' a bit lower, cause its at like 27-28ish right now and I'm not a fan
Let's see if I can stick to these things are turn this ship around! |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Feb 2008, 12:59am Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 22 Dec 2007
Posts: 191
WPP: 51
Location: BC
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Griffey,
I've been reading your operation the entire time, just haven't commented on anything, really enjoyed reading so far though. Also, have you talked to anyone regarding canadian taxes? It's not like I'm making tons of withdrawals, but I think it'd be good to know. Anyways don't get discouraged, and good luck. |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Feb 2008, 1:26pm Post subject:
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Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| BigLRIP wrote: | Griffey,
I've been reading your operation the entire time, just haven't commented on anything, really enjoyed reading so far though. Also, have you talked to anyone regarding canadian taxes? It's not like I'm making tons of withdrawals, but I think it'd be good to know. Anyways don't get discouraged, and good luck. |
Hey man,
Thanks for the support!
As for the tax scene.. well if my losing streak continues I won't have to worry about it!
No but seriously, I haven't looked into it yet. Alexos is bugging me to do so as well.. some silly logic like "there's no expert in Montreal, but there is in Toronto"
I'm mostly just tryin to figure out if any tax lawyer will do or if I need to actually get a specialized tax lawyer who is specialized in gambling taxation? Hmm what do you think?
As of right now, I haven't really withdrawn that much. Most of my withdrawals are just back and forth between click2pay right now . but I'd like to figure that out soon. You have any thoughts? Where do you live BigLRIP? |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Feb 2008, 1:43pm Post subject:
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Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Yesterday I realized one really bad habit I have. Its this thing I do in my head.. where I predict what the villain is gonna do just based on what he had been doing lately. Like I'll make a bet and in my head I'll say "he's gonna raise me now". I mean, I don't think doing this kind of thing is that bad, but I feel like when I predict its gonna happen it makes it feel like its more of a bluff or something.
I don't know if that makes any sense or not.. but whatever the case may be, this guy had been raising me pretty often and in my head on the turn I told myself he was gonna raise me.. and he did. And I just insta was like "screw you and your stupid raises that I see coming.. and that makes no sense give the action and board.. so take this!".. with like AIR and NO fold equity and NO draw and its like OMG what am I doing?? AM I NUTS?
This is the stupid stupid spewfest of a hand:
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Hero: $960
CO: $955
Button: $1838.20
SB: $1820
BB: $1268.25
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 
Hero raises to $30, CO calls, 3 folds.
Flop: ($75, 2 players)
Hero bets $55, CO calls.
Turn: ($185, 2 players)
Hero bets $170, CO raises to $400, Hero raises all-in $875, CO calls all-in $470.
Uncalled bets: $5 returned to Hero.
River: ($1925, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1925)
Results:
Final pot: $1925
Hero shows 9s Ts
CO shows 6d 6s
I think what I really need to start doing is STOPPING and THINKING before EVERY big decision at least. Too often I just do these quick insta decisions. Like above. If I woulda stopped and thought at least for a few more moments I would have realized his range was: mid pairs, heart draw, some spade draw, and overs and he's tryin to rep the Q or something. I think he'd probably raise 45, and hearts on the flop so maybe he somehow got there with spades (5s6s or something, As5s). In any event, if I stopped and thought about it I would have realized that his raised priced him in for any hand, even his draw hands for the most part and I wouldn't have stupidly stacked.
I would feel a lot better about this push if I had AK or something. At least then I'm ahead of his range if he has lots of draws or something.... I gotta at least beat a draw if I'm gonna pull this nonsense.
Stop and Think. Starting today every big decision I am forcing myself to stop and think for 5 seconds. I will definitely bluff a lot less if I force myself to do this. |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Feb 2008, 3:25pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 13 Aug 2007
Posts: 1594
WPP: 117
Location: getting my swell on
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| lol i do that same shit in my head too, and im right like 90% of the time it seems like. and yeah it does make it feel more bluffy, what do i do?!?!?! |
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Posted: Wed, 13 Feb 2008, 6:21pm Post subject:
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Joined: 22 Dec 2007
Posts: 191
WPP: 51
Location: BC
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| I live in Victoria right now to go to school, but I live permanently in Vancouver. I seriously doubt I'll have to pay taxes on any of my winnings this year (less than $10k), but in the coming year maybe (fingers crossed). |
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Posted: Thu, 14 Feb 2008, 9:18am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| BigLRIP wrote: | | I live in Victoria right now to go to school, but I live permanently in Vancouver. I seriously doubt I'll have to pay taxes on any of my winnings this year (less than $10k), but in the coming year maybe (fingers crossed). |
Haha nice.. I've never gone out west. You ever come out this way?
Well I'll cross my fingers.. but moreso for you to win BIG and NOT need to pay taxes |
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Posted: Fri, 15 Feb 2008, 6:03pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Warning: This post is gonna be a rant!
I just had a suuuuuuuuper bad session. Alexos can attest to that . I swing like a mad man. I'm pretty sure at like 5 different times during the session I was talking to Alexos and saying like "holy man..I'm down 5.5k"... "down only 2k now ship it".... "maaaaan back down 6.2k".. "oooooh got it down to 1.8k niiiiice"... "I quit poker.. down 7.3k"
That was my last statement.. down 7.3k.. ugh.. sick.
I don't think I played that bad. My high pairs (JJ-AA) were together all down over 6k today. I think its a pretty accurate statement saying that if your pairs aren't winning, you're not gonna have a winning session.
I think I have to re-adjust my thinking on how legitimate it is to be freely stacking with JJ/QQ in these aggressive higher games all the time. I feel a lot better about stacking off QQ/JJ if I'm the one 4-betting than if I'm the one facing a 4-bet. I think I was up against a 4-bet with JJ/QQ today SOOOO many times, and everytime I was up against KK.. it was unreal.
I just feel like I'm at the point now where I'm up against a 4-bet and I'm just sticking it in anyhow and hoping for AK. I think I really need to pay closer attention to these guys and how often/lightly they are really 4-betting. Its really not worth shoving with JJ/QQ against 4-bets if they aren't doing it light and I'm at best a flip. I could just be being super results oriented after today's ass session.
Another option is cold calling the 4-bet and stacking on all non A/K flops. I don't really like this option too much though, cause it lets AK get away without putting anymore money in if they miss.
I just think I wanna avoid situations from now on where "I'm at best a flip"... if I can. We'll see how well that goes.
BR: 50k.. ugh.. today was painnn |
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Posted: Fri, 15 Feb 2008, 6:29pm Post subject:
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Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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oh and I just checked PT and I realized I'm on a funnnn 65k hand break-even stretch.. definitely my longest ever.
Oh and I checked my PT and looked at the hands I had against Alexos today. And I've concluded that he owned me cause he's a luckbox
These are the hands between Alexos and I:
Hand 1:
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $1215.68
CO: $711
Button: $768.04
Hero: $500
BB: $498
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with
UTG folds, Alexos raises to $20, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.
Flop:  ($45, 2 players)
Hero checks, Alexos bets $25, Hero raises to $87, Alexos calls.
Turn: ($219, 2 players)
Hero checks, Alexos bets $136, Hero raises all-in $393, Alexos calls.
River: ($1005, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1005)
Results:
Final pot: $1005
Hero shows Ts Qh
Alexos shows Ac 8c
hand 2:
-I really thought I was value shoving here, with the way he was calling me today
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
4 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Alexos: $497.25
Button: $477.85
Hero: $435
BB: $183
Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with
Alexos raises to $20, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.
Flop: ($45, 2 players)
Hero checks, Alexos bets $25, Hero calls.
Turn: ($95, 2 players)
Hero bets $64, Alexos calls.
River: ($223, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $326, Alexos calls.
Results:
Final pot: $875
Hero shows Jc Qd
Alexos shows 5h Ah
Hand 3
-this was a really stupid hand, and for some reason I convince dmyself
he had KT instead of shoving this turn. Such a bad mistake not shoving
-also so bad not c/r river.... KT.. ugh. I shoulda convinced myself he had 8T and freerolled his ass on the turn
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $493
Hero: $826
Alexos: $1564.60
SB: $190.40
BB: $103.10
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with
UTG folds, Hero raises to $20, Alexos calls, 2 folds.
Flop: ($47, 2 players)
Hero bets $30, Alexos calls.
Turn: ($107, 2 players)
Hero bets $70, Alexos raises to $205, Hero calls.
River: ($517, 2 players)
Hero checks, Alexos bets $300, Hero calls.
Results:
Final pot: $1117
Alexos shows 7h Ah
Hero shows Th 8h
Hand 4
-this was potentially stupid, maybe I shoulda c/f'd river
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $500
Hero: $493
Alexos: $493
SB: $937
BB: $252.75
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is CO with
UTG folds, Hero raises to $20, Alexos calls, 2 folds.
Flop: ($47, 2 players)
Hero bets $32, Alexos calls.
Turn: ($111, 2 players)
Hero bets $80, Alexos calls.
River: ($271, 2 players)
Hero checks, Alexos bets $189, Hero calls.
Results:
Final pot: $649
Alexos shows 7s 8s
Hero mucks Qd Qh
Hand 5
-this is the only hand I "sucked out" on Alexos, and it wasn't even a suckout
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Alexos: $722.80
Alexos+1: $565.40
Hero: $683.45
Button: $196
SB: $1478.05
BB: $72.28
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with
Alexos raises to $20, Alexos+1 calls, Hero calls, 3 folds.
Flop: ($67, 3 players)
Alexos bets $50, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $134, Alexos raises to $279, Hero raises all-in $663.45, Alexos calls.
Turn: ($1393.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1393.9)
River: ($1393.9, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $1393.9)
Results:
Final pot: $1393.9
Hero shows 6h 8h
Alexos shows Ad As |
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Posted: Fri, 15 Feb 2008, 6:33pm Post subject:
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Joined: 11 Aug 2006
Posts: 1915
WPP: 60
Location: Montreal
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Posted: Fri, 15 Feb 2008, 8:37pm Post subject:
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Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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lol you wish! I valuetowned myself with QJ.. ugh |
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Posted: Wed, 27 Feb 2008, 12:18pm Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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I haven't written anything in a while cause I went away to San Diego for a week or so and served as a good break from poker, and I hoped my downswing would end once I got back. I had a bad 7k downswing right before the holiday so was good to take a break.
Played a couple sessions, up 3.5k in one and down 3k in another.
BR is completely stalled at around 50kish.
I REALLY REALLY need to stop bluffing... I'm bordering on out of control. I just never give up pots. If I have air, but someone else raise me on the flop and I think they have air, I just risk my whole stack to take them off their air. Its not worth it. It's not worth risking $1k more to protect the $80 I put in that the guy is trying to steal from me.
Some bluffs from yesterday:
Hand 1:
-this one is just brutal and I should realize that I have no fold equity.
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $890
UTG+1: $2187.57
CO: $501.25
Button: $1221
SB: $443
Hero: $1337
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB with
3 folds, Button raises to $40, SB folds, Hero raises to $150, Button calls.
Flop: ($305, 2 players)
Hero bets $233, Button raises to $466, Hero raises all-in $1187
Hand 2:
-I don't mind this one, cause I planned it well and my bet size on the turn allowed for a good sized bet on the river
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $509.30
CO: $458.85
Button: $1474.81
Hero: $541.55
BB: $191.98
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with
UTG raises to $10, CO calls, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds.
Flop: ($35, 3 players)
Hero bets $22, UTG raises to $85, CO folds, Hero calls.
Turn: ($205, 2 players)
Hero bets $101, UTG calls.
River: ($407, 2 players)
Hero bets $314
Hand 3:
-this one is okk, I think I'm repping AA/KK or QQ here reasonably well. I'd imagine he folds JJ/TT here
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
6 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $500
UTG+1: $170
CO: $1182.64
Hero: $668.60
SB: $524.45
BB: $168.50
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with
UTG raises to $15, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $45, Hero calls, 2 folds, UTG calls.
Flop:  ($142, 3 players)
UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks.
Turn: ($142, 3 players)
UTG bets $85, CO folds, Hero raises to $170, UTG calls.
River: ($482, 2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $285
Hand 4:
-his 3-bet on the flop signalled to me that he had noooothing. It was just a matter of me pushing over flop or waiting for the turn to make a move
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $2/$5
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
Hero: $531.50
CO: $492.50
Button: $588
SB: $767.70
BB: $794.65
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with 
Hero raises to $15, 3 folds, BB calls.
Flop: ($32, 2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero raises to $70, BB raises to $140, Hero calls.
Turn: ($312, 2 players)
BB bets $59, Hero raises all-in $396.5
Hand 5:
-villain is aggressive in this hand, so much so that he'd re-raise preflop with all strong aces for sure. Its just a question if i think he can fold a weak ace here if thats what he has
CryptoLogic
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
5 players
Converter
Stack sizes:
UTG: $2160.57
CO: $366.25
Button: $486
Hero: $1005
BB: $941.50
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with
3 folds, Hero raises to $30, BB calls.
Flop: ($60, 2 players)
Hero bets $34, BB raises to $109, Hero calls.
Turn: ($278, 2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $181, Hero raises all-in $866
Results:
Bluffs 1 and 2 did NOT work -> net loss of about $2.2k
Bluffs 3,4 and 5 DID work -> net gain of about $700
I'd have to bluff 5 more times successfully each time profiting around $300 just to BREAK EVEN on my bluffs. So I'd have to bluff successfully about 8/10 times just to makeup for the times I stack off and lose from bluffs. If this isn't a wakeup call for me to stop bluffing I don't know what is.
Also, I don't think the two times I AM getting caught bluffing is making my image bad enough to make up for this difference.
Thats my thought of the day: Don't bluff frequently and when you do, bluff with fold equity AND pot equity (outs) AND make sure you're representing a hand, or its just not close to worth it. |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Feb 2008, 12:30am Post subject:
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Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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You know that feeling you get.. when you're having a bad session.. you're down quite a bit and PokerTracker keeps showing you all these red numbers. Then.. finally... a couple hours in you get back to even and up into the green again! Feels like a huge accomplishment!
Thats what this post is. FINALLY had a sweet session today, and was up like 7.4k in the end! shiiiiiiip it. Which brings my bankroll up to 58ishk .. a whopping 1k over where I started this thread to begin with.
But.. its like being back in the green.. so here we go.
Looks like my smacking some sense into myself yesterday about bluffing did me some good today. Still spewed a solid 1-1.5k in bluffing today, but nothing too crazy, and nothing like I normally do.
I'm still down in my bet with alexos, since I think he's a good 20k ahead of me right now in our race to 100k. But I told him I'd have the deficit down to 12k by some point next week.... lets see if i can do it.
Here comes an upswing... March is a neeeeew month! Beware of my crazy steep upswings Alexos!...I'm coming for ya |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Feb 2008, 12:32am Post subject:
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4-of-a-Kind
Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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Oh and people should feel free to comment on some of the hands I post and stuff, or on some of the random statements I make.
I'd be interested in hearing how good/bad some ppl think those hands really are! |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Feb 2008, 2:04am Post subject:
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Joined: 07 Jun 2005
Posts: 1103
WPP: 142
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I have come to pretty well the same realization recently regarding bluffing, just on a much much smaller scale.
Looks like you are giving more info on the bluffs that worked/are more likely to work. I am assuming this is because you actually thought more about your bluff, and didn't just bet because you can. That is the part that I need to work on, thinking through my bluffs, what I am repping, what i am trying to fold out, why am I putting chips in.
Congrats on hitting green. |
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Joined: 06 Sep 2006
Posts: 3299
WPP: 87
Location: Toronto'ish
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| pgil wrote: | I have come to pretty well the same realization recently regarding bluffing, just on a much much smaller scale.
Looks like you are giving more info on the bluffs that worked/are more likely to work. I am assuming this is because you actually thought more about your bluff, and didn't just bet because you can. That is the part that I need to work on, thinking through my bluffs, what I am repping, what i am trying to fold out, why am I putting chips in.
Congrats on hitting green. |
Thanks for the comments man!
As for the bluffing and thinking it through, yah that definitely helps. I don't mind bluffs where I am repping something pretty clear and I have a good range for what they have.
Hand 1 - Was mostly bad because I was REALLY repping an overpair by pushing, but he already repped an overpair by raising my flop, and by the time I pushed there was no more fold equity. The most fold equity probably woulda been to check bomb but I think it looks too drawy/AKish that I woulda gotten looked up anyhow. He had JJ
Hand 2 - I think my line can DEFINITELY have a flush here. I lead the flop and called his raise and now fired turn and river when the flush came in. It's a somewhat risky line cause his line could also be a flush, but I felt like he more likely had AJ,AK/AQ,QQ,AA in this spot and was just a matter of if he can fold. He had KK with no diamonds and clearly couldn't fold.
Hand 3 - I got lucky here. I hoped my cold call pre would rep a really strong overpair AA/KK or maybe QQ. My turn raise was supposed to look like a slowplay of my overpair. On the river I really don't think he's folding any Q's, but I think he folds TT/JJ pretty often since it really doesn't look like I'm bluffing with this line.
Hand 4 - This is just complete spewfest. I'm not really repping anything well, maybe AJ or an overpair with my turn push. His line just made no sense and seemed too weak, combined with his weak ass turn bet that I just had to try and push him off. The problem with trying to push donks off their 'weak hands/weak nonsense lines' are that donks call more.
Hand 5 - He's pretty aggressive and in a bline vs blind I'd expect him to 3-bet me pretty light, so that definitely involves a TON of medium-strong aces. When he raises my flop he can have a FD, strong ace, 44/22. On the turn I discount the set of 4's. Preflop discounts strong aces. So on the turn he can only have 22 and a FD or air and maaaaybe 35. I think all moderate aces check through, so by betting I'm pretty sure he has air most of the time. I think my line definitely reps a strong ace.
Hopefully those thought processes made sense, thats generally what I was thinking in each case. The first was by far the worst for getting a fold, though I think I have decent pot equity when called anyhow. The other hands I think I had a lot more fold equity, but obviously owned in some of them if called. |
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Posted: Thu, 28 Feb 2008, 3:41pm Post subject:
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Straight
Joined: 22 Dec 2007
Posts: 191
WPP: 51
Location: BC
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Ill give my thoughts.
1 - at first glance I didn't think this was that bad, but after thinking about it the only hands he could potentially fold are TT and JJ (he obviously didn't fold the latter). 66/77/88/99 (aswell as AA/KK/QQ) are all looking you up, so you really only fold out other bluffs.
2 - I like this one, depends on villain i suppose. I like it because you have some draw outs, aswell as a potential K. I think check raising turn has more fold equity, but he might check the turn back.
3 - don't really like this one, although I think it's probably alright considering that the strongest hands either of them looks to have is a pair of queens at best.
4 - If that's your read I'd go with it. It'd be nice to have some outs when called though. Against this player I don't think it matters if you play a consistent line. Only bad thing is he could look you up with a PP or something.
5 - This is my favourite one. I just started using this more often. nh. |
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| BigLRIP wrote: | Ill give my thoughts.
1 - at first glance I didn't think this was that bad, but after thinking about it the only hands he could potentially fold are TT and JJ (he obviously didn't fold the latter). 66/77/88/99 (aswell as AA/KK/QQ) are all looking you up, so you really only fold out other bluffs.
2 - I like this one, depends on villain i suppose. I like it because you have some draw outs, aswell as a potential K. I think check raising turn has more fold equity, but he might check the turn back.
3 - don't really like this one, although I think it's probably alright considering that the strongest hands either of them looks to have is a pair of queens at best.
4 - If that's your read I'd go with it. It'd be nice to have some outs when called though. Against this player I don't think it matters if you play a consistent line. Only bad thing is he could look you up with a PP or something.
5 - This is my favourite one. I just started using this more often. nh. |
Hey BigLRIP, thanks for the thoughts.
Yah I agree with a lot of your comments. I really think the first one is only bad cause I have no fold equity. If we were a bit deeper, I'd like the push a lot more.
Hand 2- yah check raise is decent too, but for sure depends on how aggressive the opponent is and their likelihood of betting.
The thing I like about lead/lead is that we have a bluff so there are no scare cards for us really. On the other hand, suppose villain has KK here, then a Q river or A river or diamond can all be scare cards and leading twice lets us get to the river and still have enough fold equity behind on another potential scare card. You have to plan this on the turn, though, to make sure you have enough fold equity on the river!
Hand 5 - yah this kind of line is really good against aggressive opponents who 3-bet a LOT so you KNOW they will be 3-betting their strong ages. That's something nice about guys that aggressive, you can eliminate strong hands out of their range if they call PF a lot of the time.
Had another good session today. This whole "not bluffing, and folding more" thing is working out well it seems. Helps that my overpairs are holding up!
up another 7k today, so thats like 14k in two days.. sickkkk
BR: $65.6k |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Feb 2008, 1:47am Post subject:
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| im reading and rooting for you! |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Feb 2008, 8:59am Post subject:
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| Vi-Zer0Skill wrote: | | im reading and rooting for you! |
Thanks man, I appreciate it! |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Feb 2008, 12:01pm Post subject:
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OMG you're such a sicko. Two seshs of +7k in a row?
im scared |
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Posted: Fri, 29 Feb 2008, 2:23pm Post subject:
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| Alexos wrote: | OMG you're such a sicko. Two seshs of +7k in a row?
im scared |
Yah hopefully I don't jinx it!
You're the one that's inspiring all this folding
For those of you that don't know, Alexos and I talk a lot about hands and go over a lot of HH's. Pretty much half the time he looks at a hand and says c/f, I show him the result and I end up "c/bombing".. or "shoving" or pretty much all options that are the complete opposite of c/f.
So I'm trying to fold more. Yesterday I had KQs in blinds and called a solid players UTG+1 raise and flopped top two. I c/r'd flop and he called in position and an A came on the turn making the board KQxA. I c/f'd ... and it felt gooood!
c/f has now been added to my arsenal, thanks Alexos! |
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Posted: Wed, 05 Mar 2008, 5:02pm Post subject:
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I had been playing proper solid poker, folding, playing smart, until today.
I have days (like today) where I go crazy 3-betting everyone, and everything in sight. This would be ok, but this aggression usually transfers over to postflop where I start spewing and bluffing waaaaay too much.
I tried my hand at 10/20 today.. and somehow that always ends up a bad idea. I seem to always start off with some crappy spot (KK vs AA) and that always gets me started on the downswing at that level. I'm sure like most ppl, starting ahead always leads to better play.
Anyways, today was a madness day of bluffing... potentially induced by my early stacking of KK vs AA. Bluffed a total of 8k today.. whattttt?? god I'm so bad.
BR baaaaaack down to 57k. I'm really stalling here.. hard. I need to program some kind of device to stop me from bluffing.... so any ideas of preventative bluffing measures.. are welcome! |
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Posted: Wed, 05 Mar 2008, 5:38pm Post subject:
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| griffey24 wrote: |
BR baaaaaack down to 57k. I'm really stalling here.. hard. I need to program some kind of device to stop me from bluffing.... so any ideas of preventative bluffing measures.. are welcome! |
I'll watch you play over netmeeting or skype and shout out "DON'T BLUFF!!!" roughly every five minutes. I charge $100/hr. You'll barely notice that however due to your massive winrate. |
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Posted: Wed, 05 Mar 2008, 8:25pm Post subject:
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| Smacktard wrote: |
I'll watch you play over netmeeting or skype and shout out "DON'T BLUFF!!!" roughly every five minutes. I charge $100/hr. You'll barely notice that however due to your massive winrate. |
HAHA... holy crap.. that would be awesome!
You know.. funnily enough .. if it worked it could sooooooo be worth $100/hr!
Especially if I keep spewing like I did today. |
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| only give yourself 6 buyins to play with every day? |
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